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This page aims to capture some of the thoughts from [https://twitter.com/brucefenton Bruce Fenton] and some of the core devs about [http://ravencoin.org RavenCoin], it's purpose and future. It's not comprehensive, just some of the interesting comments spotted on the community chats.
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== 3 Apr 11 Nov 2018 - Discord 2 ==Note Economics of token creation - raven ends up being exactly the same issuance schedule as Bitcoin but with this perpetual drain on exchanges: since this project total supply in the form of whatever is open source there is no central party burned. That-/ and the fact that it’s real 100% pow coins getting burned - that means RVN assets have sort of a neat double POW / a real asset (energy) has been burned to allow assets to speak with exchangesexist  This gives them value. Not much, it’s tiny. ICOs But it does exist and centralized corporate coins typically have marketers that’s very different than other projects and others who serve this rolevery fascinating.
Since this coin had no premine or set aside the economics are different as there is no insider looking to dump presale coins or something because they don't exist.
All exchange activity so far has been community driven. There is no official party with an authority to deal with exchanges-/ that doesn't mean no one has the power --- it means everyone has the power. This project belongs 100% to the community-- it was created by a community and remains that.
So anyone wishing to list this coin or do any other economic activity ==09 Nov 2018 - go for it. The project literally belongs to you as much as anyone if you are reading this.Discord 2 ==
== 2 Apr 2018 - Discord 2 ==Talking your own book is exactly ethical and legal— especially if disclosed. It’s one of the purest form of ethical interaction in commerce.Some had to not only risk public reputation to support this coin but also give miners over $ of my capital to get the coins we own. So a miner could have dumped on us and I’d be the one conned.Discord channelsSomeone being well known or ostk backing some dev is also not relevant. Oprah or Andreas could mention this coin for five seconds and instantly have more influence than paper authors. If Greg Maxwell came and said something was a security risk, people would listen etc etc. that’s how a real open source project works. In a fair launch like other aspects of Ravencoin, don't this it’s almost impossible to have one party have the upper hand. That’s not marketing talk or something to pump ravens structure — that’s just the truth.Projects with a centralized authority or controllerfair & open launch are literally a gift to the users — anything created from those projects is created by fair work to the people. It’s absolutely incomparable to something that raised money.
ICOs, scam-coins Nothing wrong with raising money by the way but it’s utterly and completely different from giving away something for free. It’s decentralized versus centralized corporate coins have controlled and managed chat channels run by paid marketing employees. Permissioned versus free.
Ravencoin is differentIt’s the very core of our industry. It's not run by a central team or person who tells people A foundational core of what to say or soopen source / decentralized/ cypherpunk networks can be.
Anyone can set up Now ravencoin may be stupid, a chatbad idea, it may fail, it may break, there is it may have unforeseen problems or it might just be outpaced by any of a dozen projects trying to do the same. All those are potentially valid debates. —- but there’s just no "official" anything other than reasonable way to say this project wasn’t fair. It’s provable on the blockchain that this was the Git most widely participated in and websitefastest growing network in history.
If One may think raven is a majority weak project but it’s fairness is completely undeniable— if someone doesn’t believe that then they either don’t understand or believe in crypto or they don’t fully understand how this project works. By the way:: we need to spread that far and wide. People should understand that this is their project — anyone can build on it  All this work we’ve done:: it’s free! All the code, the network — all that’s been invested — it all belongs to all members of the community prefers . Anyone can use it and any one admin / mod style they can migrate benefit from this network.  Now for 500 RVN you can create a permanent asset backed by this absolutely massive amount of hashpower. That asset can do all kinds of cool stuff.  This is amazing. People don’t even see it yet. The structure is a key part. No leaders, no rulers, no centralized parties. That’s best practices. It’s harder.   ==17 Oct 2018 - Discord 2 == New folks be sure to  1) download the latest wallet - recognize that this is YOUR project - it’s open source and NOT controlled by any banned. If various groups specific people - you can build on this and use it without permission! 2) start mining — with a gpu you can get some coins to use and reserve names with but even if not then it still helps the network  3) running a full mining node helps strengthen the coin and helps everyone  4) download testnet NOW and mess with creating assets (!) this way you are ready for:  5) be ready to create real assets after mainnet launches on Oct 31 - you only get one shot at each asset name 6) register names you can use (if you register a brand name please consider giving it to the brand owner if they ask, this helps the network) 7) imho best early tokens will be game and experiments - fun things — this is still early stage and experimental — will be ready for things like securities once lots of testing in the live world — don’t take unwise financial risks - this is an experiment!- have fun and build something cool == 05 Oct 2018 - Discord 2 == The entire structure of ravencoin is VERY different from almost every other project — so it takes a lot of learningThanks to all who participate----the thing is that Ravencoin is a protocol not a company — this is why no partnerships -// not because they aren’t valuable but because they are not necessary Ravencoin doesn’t have competing ideas or preferences then multiple groups partnerships with companies because 1) there’s no one to make such a partnership 2) the companies and devs wanting to build on this don’t need anyone’s permission - they can formjust build  This is a good model — imho it’s the best model----Finding the right balance of how much to talk about this project is hard----Software is allowed to be centralized. When people say this isn’t it’s not because they are lying to pretend something — it’s because it’s accurate.
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Many people are so used The main misunderstanding seems to centralized scam coins be that they don't know what ravencoin is controlled or directed by Medici or tZero  It’s just not the case  This isn’t some claim that someone is trying to think when they see make to comply with some rule — its the actual truth. Also there is no law that this would be relevant for — the idea that a real company working on an open source coin.project “makes it a security” is silly and it’s super insulting Whether raven is centrally controlled or has corporate involvement / oversight / investment etc do not make it a security anyway — that entire line of thinking is based on faulty logic and not understanding now Ravencoin works or was issued  Ravencoin was released for free exactly like Litecoin — because it was never sold it was not an offering
The internet is messy. The opposite of control is chaos. So some chaos is inevitable. But Even if it doesn't affect the protocol in any way.had one person as a ceo and even if that one person worked for Medici it would not matter —- still not a security
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This my time doesn’t belong to you. Usually when people write articles and mention someone they get quotes from them and check for accuracy first —- I do what I can to give accurate info. I waste hours on this and the only result is as intendedtime wasted
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 It will all even out and work welldoesn’t matter if something it centralized
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Have faith in the wisdom of crowdsThat doesn’t make it a security
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Does Bitcoin have an official chat?A coin being centralized or controlled by a company matters when the company or coin raises money - a project like Raven is completely different
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It's hard to have no one in charge there’s nothing whatsoever “hinging” on that — that’s crazy talk.  No reasonable or knowledgeable person I’ve heard of considers RVN a security. If they do then :shrug:‍♂️ Litecoin and seems chaotic to not have controlBitcoin would be as well. Many corporate coins have antiseptic and controlled chats which regularly censor criticismIt’s insane ... no — not at all. Ridiculous This all stems from people who don’t understand securities
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There’s tons of info out thereNot sure why people assume a conspiracyThere’s no one “at the only thing official is the code and website.top” There’s no one “worried”
The roadmap and white paper It’s REALLLY key to understand that this is an implementation that a group of devs supports -open source, decentralized project —-there is no person or people or corporation running it  There is no conspiracy etcPeople just work in their own interests
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Yes -- but KYC/ AML isn't part of the protocol>>>>Ravencoin is not an entity at all <<<<
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Ravencoin will allow easy creation of assets such as tokensWhat matters is whether ravencoin can and does work 
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Anyone can post a new ANNCrap projects have an interest in promoting “partnerships” and stuff — actual protocols don’t
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There's no "core" really'(In reference (I think) to Medici / Overstock / RVN)'' I’ve said 100 times that they aren’t related — even made videos about it
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you seem to think I have some special powers Rvn is better than ever -amazing - it's your coin as much as it is mjne.one of the strongest projects ever
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Well if so then Because raven isn’t like that's even more reason to not do it. :smiley: the "core team" and isn’t a corporate project with “deals” and “agreements” / joint ventures and that kind of ico crap----Medici donates dev timeWhich is anyone who wants to be.great
This isn't hand waiving -- it's the structure of a real decentralized open source project.
There are no leaders or authorities. Only merit and individuals choosing who to follow and what code to runBut people assume much more of a corporate tie  Which is a shame
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I choose to support this project because it's decentralizedNot a gift from MV  MV gifts some dev
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There are 1000 corporate coins who have very neat and clean comms channels: everyone agrees, a few people decide on a message and the people are fed a line.Big difference
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Anyone can create these toolsThere’s an impression that tZero and raven fit together in some special way or work together or that one platform is being designed for the other
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There ''(In reference to an article speculating on the connection between various OSTK / MV projects and RVN)'' thanks! I’m not a fan of the screen shot from discord — I’ve tried to make clear many times that the projects really are not related — that screen shot taken on its own and out of the context of its convo seems like I’m winking and being coy or something imho Basically it was in reply to people who think the opposite: which is that tZero has nothing to do with rvn and will never list it because they are competitors or something Neither is true  It’s really not a corporate coin -/ existed before anyone at tZero heard of it and before I joined the board  There’s no central authority over Bitcoin commsIt's impossibleteam of folks at tZero working on raven and it defiantly wasn’t designed by tZero or created for some tZero purpose
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Ravencoin is YOUR coin. It is the people's coin. A real open source Yes but ostk owns a mess of stuff and decentralized project.there’s no major direction from ostk to any portfolio cos to support ravencoin
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The decentralized nature enables this coin to do WAY more TZero and ravencoin are much less related than a centralized corporate coin or ICO can do. people assume 
Look at the results!!
Look what you badasses have built in less than 3 months!
NO ONE can duplicate this. IBM has spent $4.5 billion on its internal blockchain and we beat them in EVERY metric that matters: better code, stronger network, bigger community etc etc.
Why? Because people can smell authenticity a mile a way. Then know that the hundreds of scam coins don't actually belong to them. This coin does.
Your efforts in Ravencoin are building what you wish == 23 Sept 2018 - the strength of this project will not depend on 20 marketers or lawyers Baltic Honeybadger 2018 Bitcoin conference ==Title: Global Ledgers: Scaling & Capacity for Legacy Securities Systems in some ivory tower office but the efforts of the thousands Age of people who've put in time, resources and sweat to build this this. Atomic Swaps
With this grassroots decentralization we have some drawbacks but overall massive advantagesConference: Baltic Honeybadger 2018 Bitcoin conference, Riga, Sep 22-23 Bruce talks about the history of securities, it's current problems, and block chain.  Talk at: https://youtu.be/D2WXxgZ8h-0?t=1h48m23s Slides at: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1043833386257854464.html
This is why we will prevail.
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We Bruce Fenton (Discord): I didn’t mention Raven because as soon as you mention a specific product at certain events people stop listening and are closed minded Also so many people don’t even understand tokenized securities that it’s best to explain that first Once they understand this concept then Rvn makes more sense == 12 Sept 2018 - Telegram ==  Bruce Fenton:Because this is protocol development not something like an ICO scam  Ravencoin is a protocol — that’s it — it’s software There is NO ONE to “make announcements” or “sign partnerships” It’s open source - for all community members to contribute how they wish — this is a VERY VERY different model than centralized projects who did ICOs etc  If you are likely expecting centralized sales, marketing, announcements — that will never happen with this project and people should know that  What the fastest growing network project does do is focus on building secure and useful software— anyone can contribute and decide if they want to run that software == 25 Aug 2018 - Discord 2 == consensus works in history of crypto. We are also a top 10 of fairly mined coins in 3 months.open source by open discussion over what code to runDecentralization works.
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The wisdom Everyone should contribute to the discussion There is no division between devs and non devs - there is no special authority who bestows the title “developer” - it’s just based on what code people run and who decides to run what they choose So we don’t say “just do what the devs say” because there are no specific “devs” with any official role - just people who have done a lot of work and implemented the vision in the paper Anyone can be a dev Anyone on this crowd page can write code And call themselves a dev No one has authority over any other We the users and holders have the authority by deciding what code to run So if you say “trust the devs” the first question one needs to ask is stronger than “who? / which devs” The way to flush that out is by discussion Open and free discussion There’s also no special authority for any 100 peopleother person - no ceo or founder or master node or author or dev has special power or authority 
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Together we can do amazing things. Wish not for leaders or control. Instead make the changes you want and ask for help.But main point is that this is open source — there is no authority 
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No one has any power that you don't also have.If you We don’t want something to happen don't wait for permission. You have it. Just do it. ever discourage discussion — especially over security related issues 
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Tuesday will be All this project is is a Roadmap and an expanded paper group of people choosing to run code based on a combo of the original Medium article what they think Ravencoin means and what code is effective for that definition — every person has the roadmapright to discuss what they think that vision is or means 
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 The term hoi polloi is funny but it’s the antithesis of what open source is about — there are drawbacks is no “commoners” or higher class of people  There’s no special category called developers  It’s not ideal to say that people should defer to devs — that’s got a decentralized system lot of issues I can explain —  what if a new dev joins tomorrow and creates the code to change the supply to 5 trillion with an insta mine of 1 trillion to himself and burning all addresses bringing in R5? Would you say “stay in your lane, don’t discuss forks”? Of course not - it’s not what the coin is  It’s super relevant and key to discuss things like this -- but advantages as well. No one does or should have controlhard forks — any hard fork changes the consensus mechanism and the rules which everyone on the network previously agreed to  So it’s really a big responsibility for every user to know and care what all code changes are 
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some advantages Ravencoin will have to token issuers over Eth:
- more secure chainThere’s also a HUGE difference between non technical people discussing technical matters and overall DESIGN matters
- more censorship resistant ---
- more decentralized You won’t see me talking specific code almost ever — it’s not my area of expertise
But overall economics, functionality and design is an area of expertise I have for this coin — Andy one can develop expertise and have opinions on the direction — anyone can choose to listen or not - simpler / more elegant and run what they want based on a combo of vision and capabilities and functions with the specific code
- native in the protocol ---
- will allow dividends Well this is why consensus is so important
- will allow messagingJust something to plan for — for the future
It's the next gen
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Ravencoin plans to integrate RSK --
Advantage is shorter block time We can all continually improve the quality of review of code changes Bitcoin Bitcoin system has worked best and that it's native to the protocol -- but for smart contracts RSK will eneable solidity to work on the that’s what Ravencoin blockchainis developed after 
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ASIC resistance and a wider and more fair distribution is another advantage of Ravencoin.
By Bitcoin has made many leaps forward on this time period in Bitcoin's history the coin had less than a dozen miners. We have thousands- there are lots of contributors and discussionsThis is one of the most widely distributed coins if not THE most
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the protocol won't be ready to issue tokens on for 7-8 months or so. But the network is already very strong and will have a lot of appeal
Securities tokens are one of the key use cases and reasons Ravencoin was created
Securities tokens are my main focus@name — well one thing is that there isn’t and shouldn’t be much of a line between “devs” and “the community” —- devs ARE the community and the community is devs in this project — there is no separate wall 
I think everything will be tokenized
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I was You don’t need to just “speak with a stockbroker for almost 20 years so have been interested in securities tokens since I came into Bitcoin 6 years agodev” you can BE a Bitcoin dev by simply submitting code Secret sauce of Bitcoin is no leaders No authority Consensus Same with Ravencoin- 
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Especially interesting is small companies who can't now go public on old markets but will be able to using Ravencoin
And also conventional asset managementThe system is working well as it is — I don’t see any problems at all — just giving thoughts on best practices and ideas for the future — there are several things we learned from this hard fork which can be improved on next time - mainly around communicating 
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Many exciting areasThere’s some bad habits from ICOS where people come in to protocol projects looking for leaders or thinking a central authority makes all decisions 
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SEC regs are misunderstood by almost everyone in the spaceIt’s wise to plan for contentious forks 
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Things like lawyers will be the market not part of the protocolIt’s wise to plan for contentious forks 
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Ravencoin opens up not just new doors to securities but entirely new types of aligning interests. For example co-opsAnd have healthy debate over all changes 
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 Forks also present a risk — every code change presents a possibility of unforeseen consequences == 14 Aug 2018 - Telegram == Chatturga:The v2.0.3 binaries are available to download on the ravencoin github. Assuming that everything continues to run smoothly, and no significant bugs need to be addressed, this is the version that will activate DGW and BIP9/RIP2 consensus voting for the asset layer. The devs recommend updating to this version soon (before block 338778), with a particular emphasis toward pool owners and exchanges. I'll reach out to those people at the end of the day since the devs want to do a bit more testing. https://github.com/RavenProject/Ravencoin/releases/tag/v2.0.3 == 05 Aug 2018 - Telegram =='' Tron '' Tron:Ravencoin is a protocol platform for assets and will enable users work with anybody's infrastructure. Additional requirements can always be added by exchanges, or issuers, but are not native to issue STOsthe asset protocol. 
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Not Tron:You’re absolutely right. We are watching the issue closely. To put it in perspective though, our block times have been roughly 1.5x the speed of BTC during the worst of it. We have already switched to DGW on testnet and Ravencoin is slated to move to DGW on mainnet at the end of October. Our primary concern is not the code, that’s already done. Our primary concern is not allowing the chain to split. A chain split would cause far more damage and confusion than 5 minute blocks. The diff swings are a smart contract result of being profitable, then not, then profitable again, in an undamped oscillation. DGW will fix it, but native to it requires a hard fork where everyone must upgrade the protocolsoftware. This carries some risk. 
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Sure real estate or any asset anyone wants
To issue
Game currencyTron:x16r is the hashing algorithm, and is different than the difficulty adjustment algorithm. SecuritiesIt will still be x16r. The difficulty adjustment tries to make it so it is 1 minute blocks no matter how many cpus/gpus are mining. Currently it adjusts by looking back 2016 blocks and making a percentage adjustment to bring it inline. There is a 4x limit, which we are close to hitting. It isn’t good but it shouldn’t get much worse.
Also unique assets
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yes with any offering issuers Tron:RVN will still need be RVN. The problem is that anyone that doesn’t upgrade when the algo switches over, will be on a legal team different chain. Imagine the problems if CryptoBridge doesn’t upgrade, or Cryptopia, etc. and offering management (not from the protocol they have a different view. A hard fork is just a software upgrade, but it is really important that certain nodes upgrade. We have a managed upgrade already scheduled for the market)end of Oct that lets everyone decide on their own whether to upgrade and when enough mining nodes have upgraded, it seamlessly switches over at a set percentage. 
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not a SDK but native abilities within Tron:No, shorter block times aren’t the protocol itselfproblem. Rentable hashpower, and multipools which auto-redirect hashpower to the most profitable coin makes it more difficult to calibrate. That’s what changed. 
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So user will be able to issue:
100,000 token shares of Janes Startup
17 Platinum Swords of PowerTron:The longest chain is the winner. We just need to make sure it is crystal clear which one that is. If we have 1/2 mining power on one chain and 1/2 on another, it gets murky. If that ever happens, just don’t transfer RVN during that time and you’ll be fine. And, if you’re mining, make sure you’re on the longest chain.
1 Mona Lisa Token---- Tron:DGW will go a long way towards that. We actually want increased hashing, we just don’t want it coming and going in multi-day intervals.
Etc
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that's exactly something my company is working onChainstone Labs plans Tron:I don’t think miners using a pool will need to be one of change anything. Just make sure the pool you’re using has upgraded whenever the first users of Ravencoinsoftware is upgraded. Make sure you’re using the latest version to view/store/transfer your RVN. 
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You won't get dividends Tron:My understanding is that there was a Pull Request for holding rvnRVN on Ledger. I don’t know if/when that will make it into production.It will be paid by token issuers to token holders
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Rvn willl be burned Tron:Yes, unix (linux), Mac, and Windows. We need to make sure the client cross-compiles for users to issue or name tokensall of them. 
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The assets Tron:Yeah, there were some awful asset names. I imagine that some of the web explorers and asset marketplaces will be on the rvn chainwant to run names through a filter. 
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The assets will Tron:There’s going to be using Ravencoin chain as rails<name removed> lots of interesting opportunities. I founded Atlantic Financial, think someone will build a Registered Investment advisor and also own chainstone labsmarketplace for asset names.And Satoshi Roundtable
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Right holders Tron:There’s really only one chain. The problem is that when you change the diff algo, then the version of the software using the old algo sees only old algo blocks as valid, and software using the algo only sees new algo blocks as valid. The “real” one SHOULD be the new algo chain, but there’s no BOSS that says you can’t run older software. So it is really up the users to upgrade and all agree to use the newer software. I can’t compel anyone to upgrade, but it would make economic sense for everyone to use the new software. We can write software that doesn’t change the algorithm until it sees that most miners have to trust each issuer upgraded because we can put a version number in the blocks and count the mined blocks. That’s what BIP9 does — Google it if they claim there is an asset backing you’re interested in how itworks. 
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No no
Only for physical assets
Real worldWe’re hiring like crazy. Most of our hires are for tZero, Medici, and Bitsy. If you’re a great developer, you should apply. Bruce is in NH and he visits Utah and we visit him in NH. 
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Virtual items like digital currencyTron:Yes. I don’t know how trademark rules would apply. I fought two trademark battles where I felt I was in the right. I won one, utility and game currency or items would stay digitalfolded the other against a giant “perfect” word processing company. 
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Providers Tron:There is support for that. I’m not in favor of legal and KYC services willl be able to easily integrate with rvnthat, in general, but it did make sense for our asset hard fork. 
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Ravencoin doesn't compete with Polymath - Tron:I hope not, because I think it's would devalue RVN, but it is certainly a possibility. Interestingly enough, anyone who had RVN before that fork would have RVN and RVC, but I still think it would would be a separate type of thingnet negative overall. 
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Poly has said they Tron:Sometimes it is cheaper to mine, and sometimes it is cheaper to buy. Right now it is cheaper to buy — until the diff adjusts. I wrote a paper on how the two are chain agnostic so can use rvninterlinked. https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/bitcoin-value-and-mining-difficulty 
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Unlike EthTron:Bruce and I agree that it doesn’t need shilling. Eventually, Ravencoin was specifically built for we’ll need to let more people know it exists and that it is a platform they can build on, but that isn’t even true until the purpose end of issuing tokensOctober when assets activate on mainnet. 
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Using RSK solidly Ravencoin will be able to do everything Eth can doTron:If there’s a Raven Classic, it probably wont have asset support. 
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the published policy is Tron:Yes, we would like RVN to continue to change be viable cash. We hope it gets used for rewards (paying all holders of your token in RVN), and for on-chain atomic swaps (paying for assets with RVN where the algo to break asics if they are createdtrade happens all at once). 
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no asics DECREASE security because they increase centralizationTron:I’m not 100% sure. It seems like we’re in a bear market — similar to 2014-2015. Some of it is being sold to buy into RVN, EOS, and ADA, or into ICOs which are still going strong outside the US. 
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Asics make mining less distributedTron:I agree - kinda dumb. It is a completely arbitrary line. Enforce rules against outright fraud, but let everyone invest their money any way they choose. 
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actually they make a 51% attack easier because asics tend to concentrate mining in the hands of a small number of giant miners with data centers
Bitcoin can Tron:I think there will be 51% attacked by compromising 4 people or sosites listing assets for sale. Ravencoin you'd need We’ve put “forsale” and “forsale_price” keys in the metadata spec for this reason. Brokers could scan the chain and the meta data to compromise an army of Ravens with their gpusbuild a website for exchanging asset names.
<name removed> users acquire rvn and use that to create assets or pay dividend
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once someone issues a token they can do what they want with itTron: give it away, sell it, run an ICO or STO, put it in a game or whatever they choosehttps://github.com/RavenProject/Ravencoin/blob/master/assets/asset_metadata_spec.md 
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To be clear: the Ravencoin protocol will support RSK / solidity but ALSO have a native capability built in which makes it easier for many use cases
And Tron:I will share the scripts to allow anyone to register any names they want. I’m excited to see what gets registered. ----Tron:Sending assets will require a small RVN fee. I’d love to get rid of the fee, but it opens up too many attacks that don’t cost anything. ---- Tron:It’s been wonderful chatting with all of you. Thanks for your support of RVN. I’m working on some python scripts that’ll let you create batches of assets (with associated meta data) from a Google spreadsheet or csv. I’ll make them available next week for everyone to play with. It’ll make it easier for anyone wanting to register multiple assets.  == 03 Aug 2018 - Telegram == ''Some interesting posts from tron on telegram'' Tron:http://raven-blockchain.info/ext/getmoneysupply is stalled on an old block. Needs to be switched to: https://ravencoin.network/api/supply ----'' referring to testnet launch''Tron:Thanks. We had a few glitches that we're fixing, but overall it seems to be performing as expected. ---- Tron:Brace yourself. The limits of free speech are being tested. FREEDOM!!! ---- Tron:In the qt, go to Help->Debug, then the console tab, and type listassets ---- Tron:I'd be interested in knowing which ones it doesn't fulfill. It is portable, fungible, divisible, durable, transferable, and limited. USD is 5 of those 6. ---- Tron:Michael Any wallet, explorer, exhange, etc. can use the .png. It likely will not be built into the reference client because we don't want to be downloading and showing the types of images that could be added. If you've looked at the list of assets created on testnet, you'll understand our concern. ----'' referring to facilitating adoption''Tron:Adoption - ease of use, cross platform (Windows, Mac, Linux, iOs, Android) , and secure. ---- Tron:We hope assets will be tradable on decentralized exchanges. I think this will happen organically as soon as some real projects are using the tokens. ---- Tron:Medici has investments in about 14 different companies. I expect some of them will be able to use RVN, but RVN is not being developed in support of any particular project. It has larger ambitions to be a platform for asset issuance with multi-OS support and much easier to use than ERC20. ----Tron:Verhoven RVN should be a currency. We want it to have a value because phase 3 will allow paying token holders in RVN. Imagine a project that's profitable where the early supporters are rewarded (with RVN) based on the percentage of tokens they hold. ---- Tron:I'm not allowed to talk about tZero stuff. ---- Tron:I had experience with Counterparty, Mastercoin, colored coins, and open assets which had similar capabilities on top of Bitcoin. It was secure, but clunky because some bitcoin had to be sent with every asset, and the fees became prohibitively high last year. We've been able to fix these issues because we can make adjustments that the core Bitcoin developers can't make. ---- Tron:The ideas behind the project and using the blockchain for tokenizing assets came from Bruce Fenton, as well as the project name and logo. ----Tron:I'm in talks with the leadership and developers on that project. We've agreed that Ravencoin is great once they're tokenizing the land. First stages are about recording ownership and Ravencoin doesn't fit that use case as well. ---- Tron:I've talked to lots of companies about their projects on RVN. Two game companies, one tokenized real-estate company, and a VC company that wants to do tokenized Reg A+ offerings. ---- Tron:I created a crypto accounting system called CoinCPA -- look for the podcasts from 2014. I was an early employee of Tzero. I'm a Tzero advisor. I worked for crypto company out of Hong Kong. I've helped Spera, and Bitsy which are portfolio companies of Medici Ventures. ---- Tron:I do have some coins. If anything bad happens to the Ravencoin chain, it will affect me personally. ---- Tron:It's exciting. I'm a huge fan of everything that's happening in the crypto space. I think the Ravencoin community is the best! I feel honored and blessed to be a part of the project. I really want it to succeed. ---- '' in reference to some significant purchases seen recently on cb ''Tron:I can say for certain it isn't me. It really don't think it's Patrick. I don't think it's Bruce, but I don't know that. ==31 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Reminder: careful using testnet and wallets etc - someone WILL lose money because they get confused, send real coins to the wrong place only use if you know what you are doing :smiley: ----I propose that we as a community voluntarily white hat any major names like Google -/ hopefully if the real Google wants to use it the community member will give it to them at cost — but that’s optional of course----There isn’t any way to pre-reserve or verify names----But we can cooperate to register good ones---- No first dibs :smiley:----White hats racing against squatters ----Testnet will give people a chance to see what has been built and will also allow more contributors to easily contribute and do security testing because the code is published and everyone can be on the same page  Testnet also allows 2nd and third layer developers to see how the protocol works and build and test apps  Since the network was built first with ravencoin we already have a massive head start when mainnet is launched (versus if the network genesis and the asset layer were launched together) This means that since racencoin already has tons of users, community members and interested parties the usability of the asset layer capabilities increases  There are a lot of us in the community who can test and build on this protocol  So - when mainnet launches :rocket: there will be a lot of people ready to jumpstart that network and build on it  I predict a lot of asset names reserved right away (it will be like domain registration races / land grab) When mainnet is launched people will be able to immediately create real assets which will be verified by the ravencoin blockchain  == 29 July 2018 - Discord 2 == We had mini raven sculptures hidden all around the Satoshi Roundtable == 14 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Ravencoin as a real open source & fair launched project will never have the captive marketing budget of an ICO — but those projects will never have the tech depth or scalability that the Ravencoin protocol has. ----Icos as we know them will not be as big as securities tokens == 12 July 2018 - Discord 2 == The dlr is a different thing - it’s a specific tool to help crypto interface with existing wall st touting systems  Aside from this Tzero is also an exchange which will trade security tokens ==11 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Just one solid exchange would be very relevant ---- Rvn took a path more like messaging and dividendsBTC or ltc ---- I think an exchange will happen 
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<name removed> once someone issues There actually is a token they can do what they want with it: give it away, sell it, run an ICO or STO, put it in a game or whatever they chooselot of raven marketing - it’s all pretty much done by volunteer community members bits be trippin etc 
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To be clear: the Ravencoin protocol will support RSK / solidity but ALSO have a native capability built in which makes it easier for many use cases
And I think Tzero hasn’t announced exactly how they will make listing decisions — there will be lots of factors  Rvn could be appealing to any exchange because it has high interest and volume and is not a security and also its code base is based on Bitcoin so well understood  Rvn is an especially natural fit for exchanges focusing on securities tokens == 11 July 2018 - Discord 2 == From @Chatturga Hello, everyone. I bring exciting news about the asset layer! Assuming that everything goes smoothly, the binaries to test the asset layer on testnet will be available for download on July 30th. Additionally, the target date for mainnet release has been tentatively set for October 31st. These dates give the community time to find any issues and for PR's to be processed - with October 31st also being the 1 year anniversary of the first Medium article about Ravencoin. == 3 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Have I mentioned that this is Game of Thrones? GAME OF THRONES! This space is very treacherous and risky - there is a ton of uncertainty. A coin claiming they will “beat Bitcoin” is not credible — neither is it credible to say Bitcoin has a 100% chance of being both global money and the rails for all tokens with zero exceptions. There are a few possible outcomes: 1) Bitcoin becomes the only chain, all projects become sidechains on Bitcoin - RVN and ALL other coins/ projects die completely (possible but unlikely / not certain enough to bet on 100%) 2) Bitcoin dies, other coin or coins / projects serve that need (unlikely)  3) Bitcoin becomes important money and important chain for tokens but other projects survive and serve large or niche markets 3a Raven is one of these survivors 3b it isn’t (This is the most likely scenario imho of the 3 — even if I felt an 80% chance of option 1 then it would still be prudent to support other coins in case BTC fails or in case any can develop a niche which serves one area better than BTC) ----- So if option 3 occurred and raven survived then it could be used in even a “small” niche of the possibly deca trillion dollar token market and end up being very important. Cross chain atomic swaps and lots of other things will make cooperation between projects make sense — LTC is a good example - the project has never tried to be at odds with Bitcoin. Bitcoin was always going to do tokens — that a HQ co like Blockstream is working on this is exciting and validated the entire idea.Just a month ago all the best “experts” were saying that tokens couldn’t be put on Bitcoin or a fork of Bitcoin — this is specifically why I always used Bitcoin not raven in the periscope video examples on security tokens. When we did these demos everyone laughed — well now the smartest devs in the space are doing what we’ve been working on for a while as well (Blockstream has worked on this a long time too) It will be great if both Bitcoin and Raven serve markets in tokens successfully - there are certainly plenty of ways that can work — I also think other projects like ada and eos will have a good chance of surviving and several platforms will thrive for different reasons. Anyway — being that this is Game of Thrones and in the grand timeline of global money and blockchains - we are early in season 1 ... it’s a good time to be supportive of all projects and focus on building great tech rather than “beating” someone.Also — most importantly — Blockstream is NOT a competitor of Raven - Blockstream is a company with investors and some top devs and products etc. - Ravencoin is an idea and some code / software which generates a scare digital asset. So back to the Blockstream announcement  ...If this is Game of Thrones here we are over at Raven Tower okay — and Adam Back is like the Maester from Fort Block — he just moved in and says he wants to fight white walkers with the weapon he’s been working on — Okay I could go on :joy:... But seriously, Blockstream is not an enemy to this project - that’s absurd - they are awesome people and high quality cypherpunks and some of the smartest people in the industry.  The “competitor” isn’t Blockstream it’s Bitcoin (for tokens!) — obviously Bitcoin is the strongest chain and it’s very unlikely raven would replace it — that was never the goal, point or idea (at least from my personal POV or imho)- the better competitor is ETH who actually has serious weaknesses.  Goal as I’ve always personally seen it is to work on this specific use case on a PROTOCOL level to see if it develops advantages overall — it has had some since day one —  Just build good stuff and keep focusing  If you want to attack someone ETH is a better target but even those folks are pretty cool — better to hope the rising tide lifts all boats!! ----- Yeah no one should care so much what I say — centralized authorities are bad  I love this coin and project and community — this is why I’ve given what I think is a fair share of free work to the project — but my activity shouldn’t be so relevant (and neither should anyone else’s) ----- I don’t see it as competition and even if so it would be silly to claim this chain is stronger than Bitcoin - imho far smarter way to look at things is the way LTC and to a lesser extent cardano does: we are all in the same ecosystem ----- I’ve supported raven as best I can and will continue to — I’ve done about 15 speeches and a hundred tweets and 12 interviews and I’ve received death threats and nearly daily criticisms and accusations of being a scammer / pumper because of being such a vocal supporter — I’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of my own money on support of raven — I’ve taken time from my family to fly to meet devs and I’ve spent hundreds of hours on everything from writing and research to design to chatting in forums or answering questions. I receive zero pay and zero special coins or bonus for any work or commentary I do on Raven —Every hour I spend on Raven is uncompensated and I have to skip other paying work to do -  If people think it’s not enough or can do better then by all means hopefully they can step up and be spokespeople also — I offered to help others do so a while ago & will make more ppt etc when I can ----- Asset layer test net should be out in July ----- Blockstream moving into this is great news for the overall ecosystem ----- It’s a $40 trillion market ----- Personally I see it as very different ----- Raven is open sourceIf you want to compete with a company you canOr use the code and software how you choose == 2nd July 2018 - Discord 2 == I have over 150,000 social media followers and announced Raven to over 2000 conference attendees at crypto conferences including Miami BTC and Texas Bitcoin Conference It was posted by many others aside from me and retweeted and reposted by many others  We had 4500 miners within a week and the network grew so fast that solo mining and cpu rigs were obsolete within two weeks To claim that no one was on the network and that some secret miner dominated the mining is preposterous and easily provably false  In the very earliest days the network was widely distributed — the three largest miners (Overstock / Medici and three parties I don’t know who they are) each never reached more capabilities like messaging than 10-15% of hash power —- and that was only for a short few weeks or so in the earlier days  Since then the math can easily show that for anyone to have significant network power they would have to spend a significant amount on GPU rigs — the math & metrics behind this are trivial for anyone with a basic understanding of mining and crypto  It is simply impossible to have had a special advantage on the launch - all anyone could have possibly done is what early miners did:: take a big risk on early equipment-/  No one had any advantage whatsoever and dividendsthere was absolutely no premine or set aside or insta mine at all  This is what is great about this tech - a blockchain is provableI guess at the ravencoin annual meeting we can ask early miners to raise hands ----- Blockstream is a company — raven is a protocol We are not competing with Blockstream
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