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The mining5) be ready to create real assets after mainnet launches on Oct 31 - you only get one shot at each asset name 6) register names you can use (if you register a brand name please consider giving it to the brand owner if they ask, usage this helps the network) 7) imho best early tokens will be game and community has experiments - fun things — this is still early stage and experimental — will be ready for things like securities once lots of testing in the live world — don’t take unwise financial risks - this is an experiment!- have fun and build something cool == 05 Oct 2018 - Discord 2 == The entire structure of ravencoin is VERY different from almost every other project — so it takes a lot of learningThanks to all been organic who participate----the thing is that Ravencoin is a protocol not a company — this is why no partnerships -// not because they aren’t valuable but because they are not necessary Ravencoin doesn’t have partnerships with companies because 1) there’s no one to make such a partnership 2) the companies and devs wanting to build on this don’t need anyone’s permission - they can just build This is a good model — imho it’s the best model----Finding the right balance of how much to talk about this project is hard
We have tens of thousands of Software is allowed to be centralized. When people on say this network- it's beautifulisn’t it’s not because they are lying to pretend something — it’s because it’s accurate.
IBM has large capital but their own blockchain hasn't done what you have done The main misunderstanding seems to be that ravencoin is controlled or directed by Medici or tZero It’s just not the case This isn’t some claim that someone is trying to make to comply with some rule — its the actual truth. Also there is no law that this coinwould be relevant for — the idea that a company working on an open source project “makes it a security” is silly and it’s super insulting Whether raven is centrally controlled or has corporate involvement / oversight / investment etc do not make it a security anyway — that entire line of thinking is based on faulty logic and not understanding now Ravencoin works or was issued Ravencoin was released for free exactly like Litecoin — because it was never sold it was not an offering Even if it had one person as a ceo and even if that one person worked for Medici it would not matter —- still not a security
Every one of my time doesn’t belong to you awesome . Usually when people write articles and mention someone they get quotes from them and check for accuracy first —-- every miner and participantI do what I can to give accurate info.
Came together in a way that no company or government could.I waste hours on this and the only result is time wasted----
HEY FOLKS!!! Do you realize you badasses have built what That doesn’t make it a security----A coin being centralized or controlled by a company matters when the company or coin raises money - a project like Raven is one completely different----there’s nothing whatsoever “hinging” on that — that’s crazy talk. No reasonable or knowledgeable person I’ve heard of the largest considers RVN a security. If they do then :shrug:♂️ Litecoin and strongest distributed networks on the planet in less than 3 months!?!!?Bitcoin would be as well. It’s insane ... no — not at all. Ridiculous
YOU did this.This all stems from people who don’t understand securities
burned Ravencoin will be provably "burned" or sent to an unspendable addressThere’s tons of info out thereNot sure why people assume a conspiracyThere’s no one “at the top” There’s no one “worried”
==29 Mar 2018 It’s REALLLY key to understand that this is an open source, decentralized project —- Telegram ==there is no person or people or corporation running it
Bruce Fenton:There is no conspiracy etcThe paper coming out next week will discuss People just work in more detail. Main difference is that this is on the protocol level and uses the Bitcoin utxo for a platform and that Raven will allow messagingtheir own interests
Bruce Fenton:There are no masternodes in >>>>Ravencoinis not an entity at all <<<<
Bruce Fenton:What matters is whether ravencoin can and does workPigeoncoin? It's great someone used the code
Bruce Fenton:This project isn't related to tZeroCrap projects have an interest in promoting “partnerships” and stuff — actual protocols don’t
Bruce Fenton:The project is open source and independent of overstock chainstone ''(In reference (I think) to Medici / Overstock / RVN)'' and other supportersI’ve said 100 times that they aren’t related — even made videos about it
Bruce Fenton:You say it as if Patrick being a huge fan and supporter Rvn is somehow a bad thing?better than ever - amazing - one of the strongest projects ever
Bruce Fenton:Overstock is Because raven isn’t like that and isn’t a great company - one of the best in the space. Them allowing employees to work on this on company time corporate project with “deals” and “agreements” / joint ventures and investing into development is a great show that kind of supportico crap
Bruce Fenton:Medici donates dev timeRaven Which is great But people assume much more of a fair launch with no premine and no fundraising - there is no issue with regulatory compliance. Ravencoin corporate tie Which is definitely not a securityshame
Bruce Fenton:Not a gift from MVThis isn't an ICO MV gifts some dev
Bruce Fenton:There is no money to returnBig difference
Bruce Fenton:Well, sucks There’s an impression that tZero and raven fit together in some special way or work together or that one platform is being designed for the ICOs I guessRVN unaffected. :)other
Bruce Fenton:''(In reference to an article speculating on the connection between various OSTK / MV projects and RVN)'' thanks! I’m not a fan of the screen shot from discord — I’ve tried to make clear many times that the projects really are not related — that screen shot taken on its own and out of the context of its convo seems like I’m winking and being coy or something imho I don't Basically it was in reply to people who think tZeros ICO the opposite: which is that tZero has nothing to do with rvn and will never list it because they are competitors or something Neither is true It’s really not a remote affect on this in any way corporate coin -/existed before anyone at tZero heard of it and before I joined the board There’s no team of folks at tZero working on raven and it defiantly wasn’t designed by tZero or created for some tZero purpose
Bruce Fenton:I think tons Yes but ostk owns a mess of platforms will use this -- hopefully tZero stuff and many othersthere’s no major direction from ostk to any portfolio cos to support ravencoin
Bruce Fenton:Thank you - it's an honor to be involved in this project.TZero and ravencoin are much less related than people assume
==27 Mar 2018 - Telegram ==
Bruce Fenton:
No one can provide any permission to list the coin it's decentralized and open source. Anyone is welcome to list it or do what they want.
==22 Mar 2018 - Discord ==
''(Discussion about ux of website and tools)''
Just catching up on this channel -- great topic! Great info from <name> and many others! I've got some ideas would love to share -- busy now with some work before the roadmap release but please let's keep this rolling.
Some key messages are
1) asset transfer is really important == 23 Sept 2018 - Baltic Honeybadger 2018 Bitcoin conference ==Title: Global Ledgers: Scaling & a key use case. Capacity for Legacy Securities Systems in the Age of Atomic Swaps
2) other important things this protocol enables Conference: Baltic Honeybadger 2018 Bitcoin conference, Riga, Sep 22-23
3) Bruce talks about the how history of securities, it's current problems, and why (this will be helped with the roadmap & paper coming on April 3rd)block chain.
4) the feelTalk at: https:/ culture of the project, fair, cypherpunks, unable, neutral and open, willing to embrace the chaos of this blockchain world -- the more things are controlled the worse they turn out /youtu.be/D2WXxgZ8h- the opposite of control is chaos 0?t=1h48m23s
5) the really big picture and meaning - why are we here and what does this mean? What does a world look like where Ravencoin can enable millions of people to exchange items of value? This also fits in with ravens themselves and the legendary messengers of fiction or the real life genius birds Slides at: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1043833386257854464.html
For UX on the tech side, once the roadmap is out it will be easier for people to cooperate -- one key feature of the protocol is in the process of creating assets -- since this will be protocol level and not a smart contract, a UX that directly allows users to interact with the tools and chain is key -- just like the wallet but it will need to be much more advanced -- we also don't have a tool to copy from Bitcoin on this as here is an area where Ravencoin code becomes unique
So my back of the napkin based on the above numbers is that $25 million in equipment would be required to attempt a 51% attack. That's pretty good for a 10 week old coin!
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It's amazing to see so many people from so many walks of life spending time and resources to secure this network -- it's awesome.
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Issuers of tokens will be able to message holders
Thanks so much for your interest. This Because this is protocol development not something like an ICO scam Ravencoin is a protocol — that’s it — it’s software There is NO ONE to “make announcements” or “sign partnerships” It’s open source, and there isn't - for all community members to contribute how they wish — this is a central authority like many VERY VERY different model than centralized projects such as who did ICOs. etc SoIf you are expecting centralized sales, there is no "official" -- we are happy to speak or arrange for you to speak marketing, announcements — that will never happen with this project and people should know that What the code devs -- but you probably don't need project does do is focus on building secure and useful software— anyone can contribute and decide if they want to -- run that software
we definitely won't have any insights into something like otc trading for example == 25 Aug 2018 -- we can't sign contracts or make any agreements or negotiate anything and no one has any special access to tokens or funds -- anyone is able to do whatever they choose -- and you don't need anyone's permission to do anything on this project -- if you think something will be useful Discord 2 == consensus works in open source by open discussion over what code to people you can built it. run
Does that make sense? Happy to speak and answer any questions 😃
Bruce Fenton:
The roadmap is focused on protocol level changes - RSK would be 2nd layer so anyone can add it -- we've been talking to the RSK folks about adding it
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Tron:
I’m the lead dev on Raven and we are hiring. If you love Raven and program in C++, please contact me.
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Tron:
Raven is a Proof of Work coin and belongs to everyone. It is just software.
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Tron:
There’s a team of us working on it. More info on the direction will be released April 3rd.
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Tron:
Source code is available from ravencoin.org. If you're looking to coordinate with us, or you're a developer that wants to join the project, then message me.
== 20 Mar 2018 Everyone should contribute to the discussion There is no division between devs and non devs - Telegram ==there is no special authority who bestows the title “developer” - it’s just based on what code people run and who decides to run what they chooseBruce Fenton:Hi all So we don’t say “just do what the devs say” because there are no specific “devs” with any official role - The roadmap just people who have done a lot of work and accompanying implemented the vision in the paper will be published on April 3
== 19 Mar 2018 - Discord ==Well there will Anyone can be two types of assets -- a token or coin which will have lots of fungible units -- from 2 to a trillion or more units.dev
These Anyone on this page can be divided and shared.write code
There will also be And call themselves a unique token type which will represent a one of a kind asset. --- If you make it divisible it becomes more like the first type of asset.-----So using the Ravencoin protocol you can issue:dev
10000 AlmscoinNo one has authority over any other
10 Family coinWe the users and holders have the authority by deciding what code to run
1 Art token So if you say “trust the devs” the first question one needs to ask is “who? / which devs”
10 game tokens called JThe way to flush that out is by discussion
1 Game token called #Platinum_Sword335Open and free discussion
32 Game tokens called SuperArmorThere’s also no special authority for any other person - no ceo or founder or master node or author or dev has special power or authority
5,600,000 tokens called IBM Class A preferred
Etc
''(Slightly edited due to what I think was a discord typo - you've got the date and can search discord if you want the original :) )''If Raven has any value it would get it from 1) people wanting to use the network 2) because RVN But main point is that this is open source — there is needed to be provably burned to use any of these features no authority3) because the protocol will allow RVN to be sent to the holders of OTHER tokens as a dividend or gift 4) cash, exchange or any other uses anyone comes up with for this
no, 1 RVN won't relate We don’t want to the sword or IBM Stock or anything anyone else puts on the chain -- that value (if any) will be determined by the supply & demand of whatever asset is put on the chain and its issuerever discourage discussion — especially over security related issues
Raven will need All this project is is a group of people choosing to be burned if someone wants to use run code based on what they think Ravencoin means and what code is effective for that definition — every person has the protocol right to make an assetdiscuss what they think that vision is or means
A small amountThe term hoi polloi is funny but it’s the antithesis of what open source is about — there is no “commoners” or higher class of people There’s no special category called developers It’s not ideal to say that people should defer to devs — that’s got a lot of issues I can explain — what if a new dev joins tomorrow and creates the code to change the supply to 5 trillion with an insta mine of 1 trillion to himself and burning all addresses bringing in R5? Would you say “stay in your lane, don’t discuss forks”? Of course not - it’s not what the coin is It’s super relevant and key to discuss things like hard forks — any hard fork changes the consensus mechanism and the rules which everyone on the network previously agreed to So it’s really a big responsibility for every user to know and care what all code changes are
no, some RVN will be needed to CREATE an asset but once it's created its value is whatever you make of it. Joe could make an asset representing his beer can collection or Google could issue an asset for preferred stock worth $20 billion - all depends on the issuerThere’s also a HUGE difference between non technical people discussing technical matters and overall DESIGN matters
We'd imagine that assets / tokens using You won’t see me talking specific code almost ever — it’s not my area of expertise But overall economics, functionality and design is an area of expertise I have for this coin — Andy one can develop expertise and have opinions on the Ravencoin chain will vary greatlydirection — anyone can choose to listen or not - and run what they want based on a combo of vision and capabilities and functions with the specific code
yes Well this is why consensus is so important Just something to create an asset a small amount is burnedplan for — for the future
It's not secret. smiley we We can all want to be transparent continually improve the quality of review of code changes Bitcoin Bitcoin system has worked best and get info out there -- the roadmap that’s what Ravencoin is done -- reason for delay is mainly just that we want to rollout thoughtfully and be careful of duplicating efforts etc.developed after
it depends how you track it Bitcoin has made many leaps forward on this -Coinmarketcap doesn't acknowledge burned coins afaik but these definitely affect outstanding supplythere are lots of contributors and discussionsIf the project snd process is successful and popular we could see a material number of coins burned
for sure!! The original plan / use case for Ravencoin was focused on hard assets and securities tokens exactly like this --- once the devs figured out a way to do this we instantly realized that the features also have massive potential for game apps
== 18 Mar 2018 - Telegram ==Tron:This is the first phase of You don’t need to just “speak with a multi-phase project. The whitepaper and roadmap with details haven't been released yet, but most of the information is available from the video of the first Raven meetup. Enough hints have been dropped over the last two months that Bitcoin dev” you could build can BE a pretty good picture Bitcoin dev by simply submitting code Secret sauce of where Raven Bitcoin is headed.no leaders
== 17 Mar 2018 - Telegram ==Bruce Fenton:Yes the supply is fixed at 21 billion. There is no mechanism for inflation. The issuance halving schedule is the same as Bitcoin so should be roughly 3.5-4 years from now depending on how hashrate shrinks and grows.----Bruce Fenton:None planned but we are speaking about roadmap release this week & hope to have a release date (which I don't think will be too far away)No authority
== 16 Mar 2018 - Telegram ==Polymath is seeking to do a different type of thing. I know those folks well. They have said they are chain agnostic & so it should work on this platform. Consensus
The project goal is to make this easy and more elegant and more secure than most current methods of creating tokens.
Bruce Fenton:So hopefully Polymath The system is working well as it is — I don’t see any problems at all — just giving thoughts on best practices and any others in ideas for the token space will make future — there are several things we learned from this the first chain they use other than Ethereum. We are working hard to make it a strong chainfork which can be improved on next time - mainly around communicating
Bruce Fenton:Imho there will be a good place There’s some bad habits from ICOS where people come in to protocol projects looking for leaders or thinking a solid and fair POW coin even aside from Ravencoins special and unique capabilitiescentral authority makes all decisions
Bruce Fenton:It’s wise to plan for contentious forksI like Ethereum and have known Vitalik since he was working at Bitcoin Magazine. I invested in the crowdsale and held. So I'm a fan. This isn't competition with Ethereum overall. But imho we could have significant advantages for the specific use case of token issuance (ERC20 and 721)
Bruce Fenton:
Main ways this is different:
- more decentralized/ much harder It’s wise to censor plan for contentious forks
- will And have better scaling and security (because we use the Bitcoin code and the network strength is growing)healthy debate over all changes
- the chain is use case specific and dev is focused on this more than other use cases Forks also present a risk — every code change presents a possibility of unforeseen consequences
- also Ravencoin assets will have Chatturga:The v2.0.3 binaries are available to download on the ability ravencoin github. Assuming that everything continues to issue dividends run smoothly, and send messages no significant bugs need to holders: two huge apps be addressed, this is the version that will activate DGW and BIP9/RIP2 consensus voting for securities the asset layer. The devs recommend updating to this version soon (before block 338778), with a particular emphasis toward pool owners and other types exchanges. I'll reach out to those people at the end of tokens the day since the devs want to do a bit more testing.
- this project is a fair launch and true open source so hopefully will be of interest to more corporations and participants----Bruce Fentonhttps:This project can leverage off the advances of Bitcoin litecoin and Bitcoin cash and others----Bruce Fenton:This is open source so anyone can build a platform to help users issue game tokens or security tokens or whatever -- at the protocol level the only services will be in the code and maybe a nice user interface --- but services and advisory companies and people are all able to make projects and offer services related to the project== 15 Mar 2018 - Telegram ==When a coin is ready the exchanges want to list it and don't need to be convinced//github.com/RavenProject/Ravencoin/releases/tag/v2.0. 3
Usually they need lots of convincing because there are bagholders who want liquidity. That problem is not the same with Ravencoin because there are no founders shared or pre-mine. It changes the economics, metrics and motivation.== 15 Mar 05 Aug 2018 - Discord Telegram ==it will be great to have it widely on exchanges -- my humble personal opinion is that it's too early -- but I might be wrong. But certainly when the time is right I'd work hard to get the coin on major exchanges if it seemed it would be beneficial -- right now the grassroots nature has been very successful in attracting the people who are likely to really work to build this in to something amazing. However mine is only one opinion and anyone is welcome to pursue an exchange== 15 Mar 2018 - Telegram ==Bruce Fenton:Still working on roadmap & best way to communicate ideas and info -- Tron ''
The first Tron:Ravencoin annual meeting will be in October in NH - prior is a protocol platform for assets and up to then there will work with anybody's infrastructure. Additional requirements can always be several updatesadded by exchanges, roadmap etc and an organized plan for core development as well as 2nd layer/ 3rd party development that could be useful for or issuers, but are not native to the projects overall developmentasset protocol.
So in other words we are working to release the roadmap type document (there might be a better way to describe than white paper or roadmap)----
In addition Tron:You’re absolutely right. We are watching the issue closely. To put it in perspective though, our block times have been roughly 1.5x the speed of BTC during the worst of it. We have already switched to DGW on testnet and Ravencoin is slated to move to DGW on mainnet at the end of October. Our primary concern is not the code, that’s already done. Our primary concern is not allowing the chain to split. A chain split would cause far more damage and confusion than 5 minute blocks. The diff swings are a result of being profitable, then not, then profitable again, in an undamped oscillation. DGW will work with many community members on ideas forfix it, but it requires a hard fork where everyone must upgrade the software. This carries some risk.
1) ways to best complete the core dev portions of the roadmap - this is the main protocol on github ---
2) 2nd layer solutions Tron:x16r is the hashing algorithm, and is different than the difficulty adjustment algorithm. It will still be x16r. The difficulty adjustment tries to make it so it is 1 minute blocks no matter how they can be useful (such as use of LN many cpus/gpus are mining. Currently it adjusts by looking back 2016 blocks and atomic swaps with assets on the Ravencoin chain or getting solidity working on Ravencoin by using RSK)making a percentage adjustment to bring it inline. There is a 4x limit, which we are close to hitting. It isn’t good but it shouldn’t get much worse.
3) support, networking and ideas for 3rd party and or commercial projects and development which might help or support the project and ecosystem (for example mobile wallets, gaming apps, securities token issuance and other tools)----
Any/ all of these 3 categories Tron:RVN will still be something RVN. The problem is that anyone can contribute to that doesn’t upgrade when the algo switches over, will be on a different chain. Imagine the problems if CryptoBridge doesn’t upgrade, or Cryptopia, etc. and develop or use in any way they wishhave a different view. Important to note A hard fork is just a software upgrade, but it is really important that certain nodes upgrade. We have a managed upgrade already scheduled for the end of Oct that YOU DO NOT NEED PERMISSION lets everyone decide on their own whether to develop for profit apps or commercial or non-commercial appsupgrade and when enough mining nodes have upgraded, products or services using this code and blockchainit seamlessly switches over at a set percentage. 😃
Anyone is welcome to contribute to the code, build second layer solutions, experiment and / or build for profit apps on this.
this is real open source Tron:No, shorter block times aren’t the problem. Rentable hashpower, and an exercise beyond even multipools which auto-redirect hashpower to the most of those projects in seeing how much collaboration can doprofitable coin makes it more difficult to calibrate. We are are all members of the team and everyone owns and participates fairlyThat’s what changed.
Bruce Fenton:
Totally committed -/ people misunderstand "experiment" really ALL crypto is nearly experimental at this stage. Bitcoin is only 9 years old - there could be completely unforeseen factors which could wipe out this industry. I don't believe that, in fact I bet my career and savings that it won't -- but it really remains almost experimental as an industry. Ravencoin specifically is even more risky than say Bitcoin at this stage because it is new and unproven. There are many factors which could cause this to fail. That's what I mean by experimental.
== 14 Mar 2018 - Telegram ==Tron:I think this The longest chain is the winner. We just need to make sure it is crystal clear which one that is. If we have 1/2 mining power on one chain makes a great base layer for other projects and tokens because 1/2 on another, it will gets murky. If that ever happens, just don’t transfer RVN during that time and you’ll be very flexible and easy to put other tools fine. And, if you’re mining, make sure you’re onthe longest chain. ----
Polymath is chain agnosticTron:DGW will go a long way towards that. We actually want increased hashing, we just don’t want it coming and going in multi-day intervals.
So hopefully will work on Ravencoin----
== 13 Mar 2018 - Discord ==Tron:This project I don’t think miners using a pool will need to change anything. Just make sure the pool you’re using has upgraded whenever the software is different from Cardano and EOS and actually should work well with either of those platforms because both have planned for something similar to atomic swaps upgraded. Make sure you’re using the latest version to interact with assets like Bitcoinview/store/transfer your RVN.
== 12 Mar 2018 - Discord ==
We should create educational materials that pool owners can provide to their users - some people are mining Ravencoin and don't even know what the project is or its purpose. More information could be helpful.
It Tron:My understanding is very difficult that there was a Pull Request for a company to duplicate this type of community and the sheer hours and dedication of the participantsRVN on Ledger. I don’t know if/when that will make it into production.
open source has its own management built in - anyone can contribute Tron:Yes, unix (linux), Mac, and anyone can run Windows. We need to make sure the code or altered codeclient cross-compiles for all of them.
But look at Tron:Yeah, there were some awful asset names. I imagine that some of the resultsweb explorers and asset marketplaces will want to run names through a filter.
It's literally YOUR coin -- that's not a marketing slogan that's the real truth
This isn't owned by Tron:There’s going to be lots of interesting opportunities. I think someone will build a company or centralized officemarketplace for asset names.
This discord IS Tron:There’s really only one chain. The problem is that when you change the team!diff algo, then the version of the software using the old algo sees only old algo blocks as valid, and software using the algo only sees new algo blocks as valid. The “real” one SHOULD be the new algo chain, but there’s no BOSS that says you can’t run older software. So it is really up the users to upgrade and all agree to use the newer software. I can’t compel anyone to upgrade, but it would make economic sense for everyone to use the new software. We can write software that doesn’t change the algorithm until it sees that most miners have upgraded because we can put a version number in the blocks and count the mined blocks. That’s what BIP9 does — Google it if you’re interested in how it works.
Well it's your team -- it's open sourceWe’re hiring like crazy. All these people here Most of our hires are part of the team - especially the ones who've contributed code for tZero, Medici, and allBitsy. I certainly don't plan on stopping If you’re a great developer, you should apply. Bruce is in NH and I don't think you could get the main devs to stop even if you triedhe visits Utah and we visit him in NH.
There are no coins set aside or preminedEvery Tron:Yes. I don’t know how trademark rules would apply. I fought two trademark battles where I felt I was in the right. I won one came from mining, and folded the other against a giant “perfect” word processing company.
I had to acquire my Ravencoin same way as everyone elseTron:There is support for that. I’m not in favor of that, in general, but it did make sense for our asset hard fork.
People are so used Tron:Sometimes it is cheaper to pitches mine, and ICOs that they expect a pitch but sometimes it is cheaper to buy. Right now it's not like that in is cheaper to buy — until the diff adjusts. I wrote a project like thispaper on how the two are interlinked. https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/bitcoin-value-and-mining-difficulty
This coin Tron:Bruce and I agree that it doesn’t need shilling. Eventually, we’ll need to let more people know it exists and that it is very widely distributed- and has a robust and diverse mining community-- strong networkplatform they can build on, but that isn’t even true until the end of October when assets activate on mainnet.
Everyone can contribute and every Ravencoin was originally acquired the same wayTron: by fair miningIf there’s a Raven Classic, it probably wont have asset support.
This project is different because it's already more distributed and built with the intention of having no leader
== 11 Mar 2018 - Discord ==Tron:1Yes, we would like RVN to continue to be viable cash. We hope it gets used for rewards (paying all holders of your token in RVN) The algo was developed over probably a 3, and for on-6 mo time period by Tron Jesse and Joel they'd be able to tell you exact time chain atomic swaps (paying for assets with RVN where the trade happens all at once).
2) yes definitely there will be updates etc in coming months
The Ravencoin.org site is limited mostly to the core code and project -- the BitcoinTalk forum includes a lot more info like pools and mining software which is built by the community
== 10 Mar 2018 - Discord ==Tron:Mining distributes and changes and goes up and down and with each iteration makes the network stronger and places the nodes and coins I’m not 100% sure. It seems like we’re in the hands a bear market — similar to 2014-2015. Some of those most interested in it is being sold to buy into RVN, EOS, and ADA, or into ICOs which are still going strong outside the tech and projectUS.
== 8 Mar 2018 - Discord ==
Well the fork is an upgrade fork not a project fork --- so it's not going to result in 2 coins. Hard forks after this will depend on lots of factors -- some things can only be done via hard fork - best way is as upgrades and with lots of notice and time for testing- Monero forks every six months for example
the fork adds the capability to create assets on the chain Tron:I agree - once added then thousands of assets can be created & no new fork kinda dumb. It is needed for those no matter how complex or how manya completely arbitrary line. Enforce rules against outright fraud, but let everyone invest their money any way they choose.
It's healthy Tron:I think there will be sites listing assets for multiple groups sale. We’ve put “forsale” and “forsale_price” keys in the metadata spec for this reason. Brokers could scan the chain and the meta data to discussbuild a website for exchanging asset names.
We'd anticipate that some diverse communities will use the Ravencoin chain and capabilities -- example both banking and gamingTron:https://github.com/RavenProject/Ravencoin will be a great tool for issuing tokens and financial /blob/master/assets/asset_metadata_spec. It will also be a great tool for things like issuing a token for unique art and also for gaming. Lots of gaming apps. md
If this project succeeds we'd end up with the gaming folks and the banking folks probably having different conferences.
== 8 Mar 2018 - Discord ==
('' again a fair bit of chat between 8th and 7th Mar on Discord, captured what looked the most interesting, and skipped a fair bit '')
Messy is the price you pay for decentralizationTron:We could make one "super professional" person be I will share the head of all social media and Discord and the code etcscripts to allow anyone to register any names they want. the more one person controls the more drawbacksAnd people will never agree anywayWho would want I’m excited to be be mediator of disputes between miners and others etcsee what gets registered.-----Yes there are plans to make an org to more formally support developmentAnyone can do that also btw
== 7 Mar 2018 - Discord ==There's no centralized "boss" who can tell people what kind of discords to set up. People seem to have some impression that there is some "they" who can tell mods of a Discord channel what to do. If you set up a Discord channel no one will have any power to tell you what to do either.-----this is open source it's YOUR project. Are YOU willing to do the work to set up and run a Discord? If so then maybe people will join it.-----Tron:Anyone can make a new discord. If it's awesome then people Sending assets will use it.-----Someone asked about forks via DM - there is require a planned upgrade fork in 8 months or sosmall RVN fee. It will be well planned, tested and announced in advance so everyone can easily update miners with plenty I’d love to get rid of time. This will add the asset creation capabilities into the protocol - it will not affect existing balances or addresses in any way and will not change coin supply etc.-----the Overstock info was covered - definitely never said Overstock wasn't involvedfee, I said but it's not a tZero project and that it isn't the same group as the Wyoming people - ostk is involved in the sense opens up too many attacks that the CEO is a huge supporter and he and the pres of Medici allow key employees to work on this project while on company time-----Caitlin and the Wyoming folks aren't involved in dev or don’t cost anything.
== 6 Mar 2018 - Telegram ==(''Related to a question about the purpose of the coin, is it just a test for x16r'')---
Bruce FentonTron:Please read the medium and watch the meetup - algo is only one partIt’s been wonderful chatting with all of you. Overall coin will work to help Thanks for your support of RVN. I’m working on some python scripts that’ll let you create and transfer batches of assets on the chain-----Bruce Fenton:Yes, hard fork is planned which will add more capabilities -- it won't be an airdrop - (with associated meta data) from a Google spreadsheet or csv. I’ll make them available next week for everyone to play with. It’ll make it will be in the form of an upgrade easier for anyone wanting to the network that miners who wish to follow will need to update their binariesregister multiple assets.
('' this has been mentioned in the first dev meet up to add token ability...many months away'')
I'd love Tron:http://raven-blockchain.info/ext/getmoneysupply is stalled on an old block. Needs to take a sec and address some incorrect info and misconceptionsbe switched to: https://ravencoin.network/api/supply
1- ---'' referring to testnet launch''Tron:Thanks. Soros afaik does not own this coin and isnWe had a few glitches that we't involved in any wayre fixing, I doubt he's heard of but overall itseems to be performing as expected.
2- this is not an Overstock corporate project, they are generous in supporting lots of open source projects and allowing employees to work on them on company or personal time - I'm on the board of Medici, this is how Patrick heard of Ravencoin (I told him at dinner in Boston) we are thrilled that they like the project and allow key devs to work on it --
3- this is not a tZero project, is not being built for tZero, it's not the backend of tZero, there are no discussions about this integrating or trading on tZero and as far as I know the tZero folks are not even aware of it -- it's an entirely separate project-----Now as far as the whole community discord issuesTron: -- a lot of people are so used to scammy centralized ICOs that they might be new to open source and not know how it works. In open source everyone does what they want for their own interest be that intellectual curiosity, money or whateverBrace yourself. There The limits of free speech are no rulers or CEOs and no one in the project works for other peoplebeing tested. FREEDOM!!!
When someone says "the devs should do__" or "the discord mod should do X" they are essentially saying "Hey, do work I want for free"
So for example, Kai is a community member who made this channel and can do whatever he wants.If he wants to convert it to a channel to discuss the Xmen comics that's his business. Tron:No one has In the right qt, go to tell other people how to run things they create. They are welcome to create their own channel Help->Debug, then the console tab, and do what they want.type listassets
Yes overstock owns Medici and Tron:I am on the Medici board'd be interested in knowing which ones it doesn't fulfill. They contribute to open source projects It is portable, fungible, divisible, durable, transferable, and generously allow key employees to work on this project and otherslimited. USD is 5 of those 6.
yes roadmap is comingTron:Michael Any wallet, explorer, exhange, etc. can use the .png. It likely will not be built into the reference client because we don't want to be downloading and showing the types of images that could be added. If you've looked at the list of assets created on testnet, you'll understand our concern.
This is the people's coin. It's more widely and fairly distributed than any project I know of. Thatreferring to facilitating adoption''s hard for people to get used to. Especially when they are accustomed to dealing with ICO marketers who are trying to continually sell a product because they make money from it. All Raven in the market was initially acquired the same wayTron: by fair miningAdoption - ease of use, cross platform (Windows, Mac, Linux, iOs, Android) , and secure. So there isn't some centralized profit center driving artificial promotions.
one of the original ideas I had was to focus on RSK - Tron figured out better ways to accomplish what we needed but RSK remains an awesome project with tons of benefits for Ravencoin-- also it doesn't require core dev work because it can :We hope assets will be built tradable on top of the chain -- so hopefully someone decentralized exchanges. I think this will develop that asap - we happen organically as soon as some real projects are focused on core protocol for nowusing the tokens.
Would also Tron:Medici has investments in about 14 different companies. I expect some of them will be cool able to see people mess use RVN, but RVN is not being developed in support of any particular project. It has larger ambitions to be a platform for asset issuance with LN on the Ravencoin chainmulti-OS support and much easier to use than ERC20.
like Tron:Verhoven RVN should be a currency. We want it to have a value because phase 3 will allow paying token holders in RVN. Imagine a project that's profitable where the early supporters are rewarded (with Bitcoin RVN) based on the Github has authorized people : me, Tron, Jesse, Cade can accept pull requestspercentage of tokens they hold.Also like Bitcoin people can make their own implementations OR can do forksAny miner can run what they choose
ThatTron:I's how Bitcoin and all other projects workm not allowed to talk about tZero stuff. I don't know of any other modelFor foss
For the folks upset about the discord I'd definitely recommend reading The Cypherpunk Manifesto.
One Tron:I had experience with Counterparty, Mastercoin, colored coins, and open assets which had similar capabilities on top of the most important overarching themes is that cypherpunks write codeBitcoin. That's it - we aren't marketers or employees of people who speculate. We are making a project that we think will It was secure, but clunky because some bitcoin had to be useful. That's it. No promises it will work. No guarantees of anything. In sent with every asset, and the Cypherpunk world you either write or run the code you like or you don'tfees became prohibitively high last year. It We's ve been able to fix these issues because we can make adjustments that simple. If we as a community together build something awesome then it might have value in the world. We make no scammy ICO style promises about value etc. It's a completely different model from most new projects and takes a lot of understanding to get used to. Even today with core Bitcoin over 9 years old many people dondevelopers can't understand the way development works in open sourcemake.This literally is YOUR project. As Gavin Andresen said about Bitcoin "If you want to build something and are waiting for permission you have it, go build"
I'm not a coder either -- I found a technicalityTron: The ideas behind the Manifesto says you have to write code -- it doesn't say you have to be good at it or even skilled. :)So if you wrote a line of HTML or programmed a Wordpress blog you are indeed a (basic) coder-- so that's easy. He harder part is understanding project and embracing using the blockchain for tokenizing assets came from Bruce Fenton, as well as the Cypherpunk idealsproject name and logo.
We cool now?Tron:I've talked to lots of companies about their projects on RVN. Two game companies, one tokenized real-estate company, and a VC company that wants to do tokenized Reg A+ offerings.
We plan annual meeting in OctoberTron:I created a crypto accounting system called CoinCPA -/ meetups before then - there might be look for the podcasts from 2014. I was an early employee of Tzero. I'm a cool farm we can use Tzero advisor. I worked for a summer meetup in NHcrypto company out of Hong Kong. I've helped Spera, and Bitsy which are portfolio companies of Medici Ventures.Definitely will be NH
We Tron:I do have some coins. If anything bad happens to the Ravencoin chain, it will also do meetups in Utahaffect me personally.
We plan to have Tron:It's exciting. I'm a huge fan of everything that's happening in the crypto space. I think the Ravencoin community is the ability best! I feel honored and blessed to issue tokens be native a part of the project. I really want it to the protocolsucceed. Not a smart contract
Bitcoin has the ability '' in reference to let users issue tokens by some significant purchases seen recently on cb ''Tron:I can say for certain it isn't me. It really don't think it's Patrick. I don't think it's Bruce, but I don't know that. ==31 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Reminder: careful using Omnilayer or Counterpartytestnet and wallets etc - Ravencoin is building on this model and will have similar as well as more advanced features built in someone WILL lose money because they get confused, send real coins to the base codewrong place only use if you know what you are doing :smiley:
It's I propose that we as a different way community voluntarily white hat any major names like Google -/ hopefully if the real Google wants to approach use it the same problemcommunity member will give it to them at cost — but that’s optional of course
Ethereum ERC20 has been amazing There isn’t any way to pre- but this is a different type of model based on a different type of chain.reserve or verify names
Tons of new use cases. Games, securities tokens etcBut we can cooperate to register good ones
anonymous / privacy features are a great idea but not first phase part of immediate roadmap
Ideally if there are ways that can be bolted on to the existing Bitcoin protocol which can improve privacy that would be an awesome thing for contributors to work onBecause if it works on Bitcoin it will work on RavenNo first dibs :smiley:
There will be 2 levels with this because there is Ravencoin and there is the tokensWhite hats racing against squattersIdeally both will be totally private with opt in non-privacy features for those tokens who want to add aml or whatever
I'm very Testnet will give people a chance to see what has been built and will also allow more contributors to easily contribute and do security testing because the code is published and everyone can be on the same page Testnet also allows 2nd and third layer developers to see how the protocol works and build and test apps Since the network was built first with ravencoin we already have a massive head start when mainnet is launched (versus if the network genesis and the asset layer were launched together) This means that since racencoin already has tons of users, community members and interested parties the usability of the asset layer capabilities increases There are a lot of us in seeing if tokens the community who can test and build on this protocol So - when mainnet launches :rocket: there will be put into their own LN channels - we think a lot of people ready to jumpstart that network and build on it I predict a lot of asset names reserved right away (it will be possiblelike domain registration races / land grab) When mainnet is launched people will be able to immediately create real assets which will be verified by the ravencoin blockchain == 29 July 2018 - Discord 2 == We had mini raven sculptures hidden all around the Satoshi Roundtable == 14 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Ravencoin as a real open source & fair launched project will never have the captive marketing budget of an ICO — but those projects will never have the tech depth or scalability that the Ravencoin protocol has.
Changing the way value is represented in the world is Rvn took a worthy goalpath more like BTC or ltc
It's got nostalgia -- that wasn't done for fun (though it is!) but because it worked for Bitcoin. Too many projects get away from this. EVERYONE knows that founders shares and foundation tokens and premines and "friends and family" rounds are crap. No one denies that true fair, free and open source projects are better... yet we see 1500 ICOs because people are greedy or lazy. This model is a good one that increases chances of success. If this had been done as I think an ICO we'd all have tens or hundreds of millions on paper - but nothing close to this community and dev can be bought.exchange will happen
for legal items this There actually is just open source code. Tons a lot of encryption messaging systems are open source -raven marketing -it’s all pretty much done by volunteer community members bits be trippin etcAnd a hash is different
This community gets stronger every day. We have cycles of newbies, idiots, scammers then true believers, geniuses, OGs and cypherpunks. The later replace the former. We get stronger each day. It's an amazing community.
Did you see how fast the chat changed once the new channel was created?
No force in business or the global economy can match the power of a good open source project.
Can you imagine if Kai and everyone else where employees of some centralized thing? It would never, ever be as robust and quick to adapt and change.
Raven the Trickster from myths and legends is a shapeshifter and creator who uses Ravens environment and surroundings to adapt and make new things. That spirt is a great embodiment of open source.
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that was me -- I said that I like Bitcoin to be Bitcoin -- I'm early adopter and board member of Bitcoin Foundation
As a crypto user I want a strong chain to issue assets on -- Bitcoin is definitely a strong chain but it's devs are (and should be!) focused on being digital gold or digital cash or whatever. As a Bitcoin hodler and user I don't want Bitcoin devs to be messing about with optimizing for tokens -- that's hard enough.
So this is why a use case specific blockchain is a good idea maybe : it combines the strength and ridiculously awesome code base of Bitcoin with a dev community which is focused on optimizing the code for a different use.
The hope is that by providing this platform it builds into something with significant advantages over other chains.
I If people think the surprising aspect was how fast interest gained -- but one shouldn't mistake this as it’s not having a plan enough or roadmap. This has been planned can do better then by all means hopefully they can step up and thought about for years. Some of the key ways this is showing already are reflected in the strength of the network and number of nodes, users, community. As for funding, development is well funded, many people and companies have invested significantly into dev. The community has funded many significant parts of dev and is growing and stronger every day. The coin is less than 60 days old. The attention be spokespeople also — I offered to this coin brings lots of good community strength and new devs, volunteers help others do so a while ago & will make more ppt etc. one drawback is that publicity also brings people who don't care about the tech or want some sort of fast results or something. Development will take timewhen I can
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Some additional ways to help Project Ravencoin and Blockstream moving into this is great news for the Ravencoin network.overall ecosystem
- by running the Raven-at.exe wallet on every PC you own you automatically help strengthen the networkIt’s a $40 trillion market
- if you know a developer ask them to consider contributing to GitHub https://github.com/RavenProject/Ravencoin there will be more and more need for dev help Personally I see it as we govery different
- if you know others interested in Raven is open source projects, maybe they will download If you want to compete with a company you canOr use the wallet, mine or contributecode and software how you choose
- review bounties I have over 150,000 social media followers and work announced Raven to complete someover 2000 conference attendees at crypto conferences including Miami BTC and Texas Bitcoin Conference It was posted by many others aside from me and retweeted and reposted by many others
- support We had 4500 miners within a week and the community bountiesnetwork grew so fast that solo mining and cpu rigs were obsolete within two weeks
- build independent apps To claim that no one was on top of this chain (nearly everything the network and that can or has been developed for Bitcoin from wallets to second layer projects to paper wallet generators can be implemented on some secret miner dominated the Ravencoin chain relatively mining is preposterous and easily) immediate advantages of this chain: low cost, fast 1 minute blocks, asic resistant, widely distributedprovably false
- read Since then the Cypherpunk Manifestomath can easily show that for anyone to have significant network power they would have to spend a significant amount on GPU rigs — the math & metrics behind this are trivial for anyone with a basic understanding of mining and crypto
- share what you learn with others: make posts, blogs, videos No one had any advantage whatsoever and tutorialsthere was absolutely no premine or set aside or insta mine at all
The Inuit, Tlinglit, Tahitian, Chukchi, Sioux and the Haida among others call Raven the magical keeper of secrets, the trickster, friend of the First Men and Creator of the World. An idea or force able to shift, change and create something from nothing. In open source the power of the crowd can do amazing things. Look at what we have accomplished in less than 60 short days: a fairly issued, widely distributed coin with a very solid network and code bass.-----
This Blockstream is your coin, whatever you put into it a company — raven is what it becomes. This will be fun.a protocol
Tron[[Fenton Files:April 2018 - June 2018]]It isn't one algorithm each block. It is 16 algorithms where 8 bytes (16 nibbles) determine the order of the hashing. 16 algos are used in a chain every block. The order of those 16 algos are detemined by the hash of the previous block which is unpredictable.[[Fenton Files: start ----Tron:They'd need to handle 16 algos and adapt the order based on the hash of the previous block. It isn't ASIC proof, but if someone were to create such a thing, then we'd change some algo, or change the order starting at block X to allow the software to be changed. ASICs are not welcome.March 2018]]
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This page aims to capture some of the thoughts from [https://twitter.com/brucefenton Bruce Fenton] and some of the core devs about [http://ravencoin.org RavenCoin], it's purpose and future. It's not comprehensive, just some of the interesting comments spotted on the community chats.
Discord 1 refers to the original discord which has since been deleted by it's owner. Discord 2 refers to the 2nd discord that was set up by the community. Links on [[community]] page.
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==30 Mar 11 Nov 2018 - Discord 2 == Economics of token creation - raven ends up being exactly the same issuance schedule as Bitcoin but with this perpetual drain on total supply in the form of whatever is burned. That-/ and the fact that it’s real 100% pow coins getting burned - that means RVN assets have sort of a neat double POW / a real asset (energy) has been burned to allow assets to exist This gives them value. Not much, it’s tiny. But it does exist and that’s very different than other projects and very fascinating. ==09 Nov 2018 - Discord 2 == Talking your own book is exactly ethical and legal— especially if disclosed. It’s one of the very few true community purest form of ethical interaction in commerce.Some had to not only risk public reputation to support this coin but also give miners over $ of my capital to get the coinswe own. So a miner could have dumped on us and I’d be the one conned.Someone being well known or ostk backing some dev is also not relevant. Oprah or Andreas could mention this coin for five seconds and instantly have more influence than paper authors. If Greg Maxwell came and said something was a security risk, people would listen etc etc. The that’s how a real open source project was done works. In a fair launch like this it’s almost impossible to have one party have the upper hand. That’s not marketing talk or something to pump ravens structure — that’s just the truth.Projects with a fair & open launch are literally a gift to the users — anything created from those projects is created by fair work to the people. It’s absolutely incomparable to something that raised money. Nothing wrong with raising money by the way but it’s utterly and completely different from giving away something for free. It’s decentralized versus centralized. Permissioned versus free. It’s the very core of our industry. A foundational core of what open source / decentralized/ cypherpunk networks can be. Now ravencoin may be stupid, built a bad idea, it may fail, it may break, it may have unforeseen problems or it might just be outpaced by any of a dozen projects trying to do the participants same. All those are potentially valid debates. —- but there’s just no reasonable way to say this project wasn’t fair. It’s provable on the blockchain that this was the most widely participated in and fastest growing network in history. One may think raven is a weak project but it’s fairness is completely undeniable— if someone doesn’t believe that then they either don’t understand or believe in crypto or they don’t fully understand how this project works. By the way:: we need to spread that far and wide. People should understand that this is their project — anyone can build on it All this work we’ve done:: it’s free! All the code, the network — all that’s been invested — it all belongs to all members of the community. Anyone can use it and any one can benefit from this network with . Now for 500 RVN you can create a permanent asset backed by this absolutely massive amount of hashpower. That asset can do all kinds of cool stuff. This is amazing. People don’t even see it yet. The structure is a key part. No leaders, no rulers, no central fundraising or ICO etccentralized parties. That’s best practices. It’s harder. ==17 Oct 2018 - Discord 2 == New folks be sure to 1) download the latest wallet - recognize that this is YOUR project - it’s open source and NOT controlled by any specific people - you can build on this and use it without permission! 2) start mining — with a gpu you can get some coins to use and reserve names with but even if not then it still helps the network 3) running a full mining node helps strengthen the coin and helps everyone 4) download testnet NOW and mess with creating assets (!) this way you are ready for:
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Bruce Fenton (Discord): I didn’t mention Raven because as soon as you mention a specific product at certain events people stop listening and are closed minded Also so many people don’t even understand tokenized securities that it’s best to explain that first Once they understand this concept then Rvn makes more sense == 21 Mar 12 Sept 2018 - Telegram ==''(Replying to an enquiry about building a tool for Ravencoin)''
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@name — well one thing is that there isn’t and shouldn’t be much of a line between “devs” and “the community” —- devs ARE the possible use cases are extensive from games community and hobbies to securities tokens to artthe community is devs in this project — there is no separate wall
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Tron:I hope not, because I think it would devalue RVN, but it is certainly a possibility. Interestingly enough, anyone who had RVN before that fork would have about 3 mil RavencoinRVN and RVC, but I still think it would would be a net negative overall.
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== 2 Mar 03 Aug 2018 - Discord Telegram ==''(lots of chat on [https://discord.gg/d2K6jTA discord] - some of what we've caught here misses the context, and a bit of chat was skipped, but hopefully caught the most interesting, if you want the detail go to [https://discord.gg/d2K6jTA discord] and find the chat)''
''Some interesting posts from tron on telegram''
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Tron:I'm in talks with the leadership and developers on that project. We 've agreed that Ravencoin is great once they're tokenizing the land. First stages are all coders which means we can all be Cypherpunksabout recording ownership and Ravencoin doesn't fit that use case as well.
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Icos as we had an in person meeting know them will not be as big as securities tokens == 12 July 2018 - Discord 2 == The dlr is a different thing - it’s a few weeks ago. As roadmap specific tool to help crypto interface with existing wall st touting systems Aside from this Tzero is rolled out we also an exchange which will have more dev focused channelstrade security tokens ==11 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Just one solid exchange would be very relevant
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I think Tzero hasn’t announced exactly how they will make listing decisions — there will be lots of factors Rvn could be appealing to any exchange because it has high interest and volume and is not a security and also its code base is based on Bitcoin so well understood Rvn is an especially natural fit for exchanges focusing on securities tokens == 11 July 2018 - Discord 2 Mar == From @Chatturga Hello, everyone. I bring exciting news about the asset layer! Assuming that everything goes smoothly, the binaries to test the asset layer on testnet will be available for download on July 30th. Additionally, the target date for mainnet release has been tentatively set for October 31st. These dates give the community time to find any issues and for PR's to be processed - with October 31st also being the 1 year anniversary of the first Medium article about Ravencoin. == 3 July 2018 - Telegram Discord 2 == Have I mentioned that this is Game of Thrones? GAME OF THRONES! This space is very treacherous and risky - there is a ton of uncertainty. A coin claiming they will “beat Bitcoin” is not credible — neither is it credible to say Bitcoin has a 100% chance of being both global money and the rails for all tokens with zero exceptions. There are a few possible outcomes: 1) Bitcoin becomes the only chain, all projects become sidechains on Bitcoin - RVN and ALL other coins/ projects die completely (possible but unlikely / not certain enough to bet on 100%) 2) Bitcoin dies, other coin or coins / projects serve that need (unlikely) 3) Bitcoin becomes important money and important chain for tokens but other projects survive and serve large or niche markets 3a Raven is one of these survivors 3b it isn’t (This is the most likely scenario imho of the 3 — even if I felt an 80% chance of option 1 then it would still be prudent to support other coins in case BTC fails or in case any can develop a niche which serves one area better than BTC) ----- So if option 3 occurred and raven survived then it could be used in even a “small” niche of the possibly deca trillion dollar token market and end up being very important. Cross chain atomic swaps and lots of other things will make cooperation between projects make sense — LTC is a good example - the project has never tried to be at odds with Bitcoin. Bitcoin was always going to do tokens — that a HQ co like Blockstream is working on this is exciting and validated the entire idea.Just a month ago all the best “experts” were saying that tokens couldn’t be put on Bitcoin or a fork of Bitcoin — this is specifically why I always used Bitcoin not raven in the periscope video examples on security tokens. When we did these demos everyone laughed — well now the smartest devs in the space are doing what we’ve been working on for a while as well (Blockstream has worked on this a long time too) It will be great if both Bitcoin and Raven serve markets in tokens successfully - there are certainly plenty of ways that can work — I also think other projects like ada and eos will have a good chance of surviving and several platforms will thrive for different reasons. Anyway — being that this is Game of Thrones and in the grand timeline of global money and blockchains - we are early in season 1 ... it’s a good time to be supportive of all projects and focus on building great tech rather than “beating” someone.Also — most importantly — Blockstream is NOT a competitor of Raven - Blockstream is a company with investors and some top devs and products etc. - Ravencoin is an idea and some code / software which generates a scare digital asset. So back to the Blockstream announcement ...If this is Game of Thrones here we are over at Raven Tower okay — and Adam Back is like the Maester from Fort Block — he just moved in and says he wants to fight white walkers with the weapon he’s been working on — Okay I could go on :joy:... But seriously, Blockstream is not an enemy to this project - that’s absurd - they are awesome people and high quality cypherpunks and some of the smartest people in the industry. The “competitor” isn’t Blockstream it’s Bitcoin (for tokens!) — obviously Bitcoin is the strongest chain and it’s very unlikely raven would replace it — that was never the goal, point or idea (at least from my personal POV or imho)- the better competitor is ETH who actually has serious weaknesses. Goal as I’ve always personally seen it is to work on this specific use case on a PROTOCOL level to see if it develops advantages overall — it has had some since day one — Just build good stuff and keep focusing If you want to attack someone ETH is a better target but even those folks are pretty cool — better to hope the rising tide lifts all boats!! ----- Yeah no one should care so much what I say — centralized authorities are bad I love this coin and project and community — this is why I’ve given what I think is a fair share of free work to the project — but my activity shouldn’t be so relevant (and neither should anyone else’s) ----- I don’t see it as competition and even if so it would be silly to claim this chain is stronger than Bitcoin - imho far smarter way to look at things is the way LTC and to a lesser extent cardano does: we are all in the same ecosystem ----- I’ve supported raven as best I can and will continue to — I’ve done about 15 speeches and a hundred tweets and 12 interviews and I’ve received death threats and nearly daily criticisms and accusations of being a scammer / pumper because of being such a vocal supporter — I’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of my own money on support of raven — I’ve taken time from my family to fly to meet devs and I’ve spent hundreds of hours on everything from writing and research to design to chatting in forums or answering questions. I receive zero pay and zero special coins or bonus for any work or commentary I do on Raven —Every hour I spend on Raven is uncompensated and I have to skip other paying work to do -
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- Download the executables from GitHub for your OS (located in the binaries section) and run Raven-qt.exe---
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== 2nd July 2018 - share or post links to ravencoin.org and the twitter ravencoinDiscord 2 ==
In the very earliest days the network was widely distributed — the three largest miners (Overstock / Medici and three parties I don’t know who they are) each never reached more than 10-15% of hash power —- keep active and that was only for a short few weeks or so in the community, share ideas, communicate and follow the project's evolutionearlier days
It is simply impossible to have had a special advantage on the launch - learn about tokenization of securities and protocols which move things value using blockchainsall anyone could have possibly done is what early miners did:: take a big risk on early equipment-/
This project belongs to you. There is no owner, there what is no premine, no ICO, no special founders tokens sale or presale, there great about this tech - a blockchain is no controller. It's yours...provableI guess at the ravencoin annual meeting we can ask early members of the community and others who join. We make from it what we put in.miners to raise hands
We are not competing with Blockstream
== 26 Feb 2018 - Telegram Older Posts =='' guest appearance from Tron here talking about the algo a little ''
