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== 11 Nov 2018 - Discord 2 Mar == Economics of token creation - raven ends up being exactly the same issuance schedule as Bitcoin but with this perpetual drain on total supply in the form of whatever is burned. That-/ and the fact that it’s real 100% pow coins getting burned - that means RVN assets have sort of a neat double POW / a real asset (energy) has been burned to allow assets to exist  This gives them value. Not much, it’s tiny. But it does exist and that’s very different than other projects and very fascinating.   ==09 Nov 2018 - Discord 2 == Talking your own book is exactly ethical and legal— especially if disclosed. It’s one of the purest form of ethical interaction in commerce.Some had to not only risk public reputation to support this coin but also give miners over $ of my capital to get the coins we own. So a miner could have dumped on us and I’d be the one conned.Someone being well known or ostk backing some dev is also not relevant. Oprah or Andreas could mention this coin for five seconds and instantly have more influence than paper authors. If Greg Maxwell came and said something was a security risk, people would listen etc etc. that’s how a real open source project works. In a fair launch like this it’s almost impossible to have one party have the upper hand. That’s not marketing talk or something to pump ravens structure — that’s just the truth.Projects with a fair & open launch are literally a gift to the users — anything created from those projects is created by fair work to the people. It’s absolutely incomparable to something that raised money. Nothing wrong with raising money by the way but it’s utterly and completely different from giving away something for free. It’s decentralized versus centralized. Permissioned versus free. It’s the very core of our industry. A foundational core of what open source / decentralized/ cypherpunk networks can be.  Now ravencoin may be stupid, a bad idea, it may fail, it may break, it may have unforeseen problems or it might just be outpaced by any of a dozen projects trying to do the same. All those are potentially valid debates. —- but there’s just no reasonable way to say this project wasn’t fair. It’s provable on the blockchain that this was the most widely participated in and fastest growing network in history. One may think raven is a weak project but it’s fairness is completely undeniable— if someone doesn’t believe that then they either don’t understand or believe in crypto or they don’t fully understand how this project works. By the way:: we need to spread that far and wide. People should understand that this is their project — anyone can build on it  All this work we’ve done:: it’s free! All the code, the network — all that’s been invested — it all belongs to all members of the community. Anyone can use it and any one can benefit from this network.  Now for 500 RVN you can create a permanent asset backed by this absolutely massive amount of hashpower. That asset can do all kinds of cool stuff.  This is amazing. People don’t even see it yet. The structure is a key part. No leaders, no rulers, no centralized parties. That’s best practices. It’s harder.   ==17 Oct 2018 - Discord 2 == New folks be sure to  1) download the latest wallet - recognize that this is YOUR project - it’s open source and NOT controlled by any specific people - you can build on this and use it without permission! 2) start mining — with a gpu you can get some coins to use and reserve names with but even if not then it still helps the network  3) running a full mining node helps strengthen the coin and helps everyone  4) download testnet NOW and mess with creating assets (!) this way you are ready for:  5) be ready to create real assets after mainnet launches on Oct 31 - you only get one shot at each asset name 6) register names you can use (if you register a brand name please consider giving it to the brand owner if they ask, this helps the network) 7) imho best early tokens will be game and experiments - fun things — this is still early stage and experimental — will be ready for things like securities once lots of chat testing in the live world — don’t take unwise financial risks - this is an experiment!- have fun and build something cool == 05 Oct 2018 - Discord 2 == The entire structure of ravencoin is VERY different from almost every other project — so it takes a lot of learningThanks to all who participate-- --the thing is that Ravencoin is a protocol not a company — this is why no partnerships -// not because they aren’t valuable but because they are not necessary Ravencoin doesn’t have partnerships with companies because 1) there’s no one to make such a partnership 2) the companies and devs wanting to build on this don’t need anyone’s permission - they can just build  This is a good model — imho it’s the best model----Finding the right balance of how much to talk about this project is hard----Software is allowed to be centralized. When people say this isn’t it’s not because they are lying to pretend something — it’s because it’s accurate.----The main misunderstanding seems to be that ravencoin is controlled or directed by Medici or tZero  It’s just not the case  This isn’t some claim that someone is trying to make to comply with some rule — its the actual truth. Also there is no law that this would be relevant for — the idea that a company working on an open source project “makes it a security” is silly and it’s super insulting Whether raven is centrally controlled or has corporate involvement / oversight / investment etc do not make it a security anyway — that entire line of thinking is based on faulty logic and not understanding now Ravencoin works or was issued  Ravencoin was released for free exactly like Litecoin — because it was never sold it was not an offering Even if it had one person as a ceo and even if that one person worked for Medici it would not matter —- still not a security----my time doesn’t belong to you. Usually when people write articles and mention someone they get quotes from them and check for accuracy first —- I do what I can to give accurate info. I waste hours on this and the only result is time wasted---- It doesn’t matter if something it centralized----That doesn’t make it a security----A coin being centralized or controlled by a company matters when the company or coin raises money - a project like Raven is completely different----there’s nothing whatsoever “hinging” on that — that’s crazy talk.  No reasonable or knowledgeable person I’ve heard of considers RVN a security. If they do then :shrug:‍♂️ Litecoin and Bitcoin would be as well. It’s insane ... no — not at all. Ridiculous This all stems from people who don’t understand securities----There’s tons of info out thereNot sure why people assume a conspiracyThere’s no one “at the top” There’s no one “worried”  It’s REALLLY key to understand that this misses is an open source, decentralized project —- there is no person or people or corporation running it  There is no conspiracy etcPeople just work in their own interests---->>>>Ravencoin is not an entity at all <<<<----What matters is whether ravencoin can and does work ----Crap projects have an interest in promoting “partnerships” and stuff — actual protocols don’t----''(In reference (I think) to Medici / Overstock / RVN)'' I’ve said 100 times that they aren’t related — even made videos about it----Rvn is better than ever - amazing - one of the strongest projects ever----Because raven isn’t like that and isn’t a corporate project with “deals” and “agreements” / joint ventures and that kind of ico crap----Medici donates dev timeWhich is great  But people assume much more of a corporate tie  Which is a shame----Not a gift from MV  MV gifts some dev----Big difference----There’s an impression that tZero and raven fit together in some special way or work together or that one platform is being designed for the other----''(In reference to an article speculating on the connection between various OSTK / MV projects and RVN)'' thanks! I’m not a fan of the screen shot from discord — I’ve tried to make clear many times that the projects really are not related — that screen shot taken on its own and out of the contextof its convo seems like I’m winking and being coy or something imho Basically it was in reply to people who think the opposite: which is that tZero has nothing to do with rvn and will never list it because they are competitors or something Neither is true  It’s really not a corporate coin -/ existed before anyone at tZero heard of it and before I joined the board  There’s no team of folks at tZero working on raven and it defiantly wasn’t designed by tZero or created for some tZero purpose----Yes but ostk owns a mess of stuff and there’s no major direction from ostk to any portfolio cos to support ravencoin----TZero and ravencoin are much less related than people assume      == 23 Sept 2018 - Baltic Honeybadger 2018 Bitcoin conference ==Title: Global Ledgers: Scaling & Capacity for Legacy Securities Systems in the Age of Atomic Swaps Conference: Baltic Honeybadger 2018 Bitcoin conference, Riga, Sep 22-23 Bruce talks about the history of securities, it's current problems, and block chain.  Talk at: https://youtu.be/D2WXxgZ8h-0?t=1h48m23s Slides at: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1043833386257854464.html ---- Bruce Fenton (Discord): I didn’t mention Raven because as soon as you mention a specific product at certain events people stop listening and are closed minded Also so many people don’t even understand tokenized securities that it’s best to explain that first Once they understand this concept then Rvn makes more sense == 12 Sept 2018 - Telegram ==  Bruce Fenton:Because this is protocol development not something like an ICO scam  Ravencoin is a protocol — that’s it — it’s software There is NO ONE to “make announcements” or “sign partnerships” It’s open source - for all community members to contribute how they wish — this is a VERY VERY different model than centralized projects who did ICOs etc  If you are expecting centralized sales, marketing, announcements — that will never happen with this project and people should know that  What the project does do is focus on building secure and useful software— anyone can contribute and decide if they want to run that software == 25 Aug 2018 - Discord 2 == consensus works in open source by open discussion over what code to run ---- Everyone should contribute to the discussion There is no division between devs and non devs - there is no special authority who bestows the title “developer” - it’s just based on what code people run and who decides to run what they choose So we don’t say “just do what the devs say” because there are no specific “devs” with any official role - just people who have done a lot of work and implemented the vision in the paper Anyone can be a dev Anyone on this page can write code And call themselves a dev No one has authority over any other We the users and holders have the authority by deciding what code to run So if you say “trust the devs” the first question one needs to ask is “who? / which devs” The way to flush that out is by discussion Open and free discussion There’s also no special authority for any other person - no ceo or founder or master node or author or dev has special power or authority ---- But main point is that this is open source — there is no authority ---- We don’t want to ever discourage discussion — especially over security related issues ---- All this project is is a group of people choosing to run code based on what they think Ravencoin means and what code is effective for that definition — every person has the right to discuss what they think that vision is or means ---- The term hoi polloi is funny but it’s the antithesis of what open source is about — there is no “commoners” or higher class of people  There’s no special category called developers  It’s not ideal to say that people should defer to devs — that’s got a lot of issues I can explain —  what if a new dev joins tomorrow and creates the code to change the supply to 5 trillion with an insta mine of 1 trillion to himself and burning all addresses bringing in R5? Would you say “stay in your lane, don’t discuss forks”? Of course not - it’s not what the coin is  It’s super relevant and key to discuss things like hard forks — any hard fork changes the consensus mechanism and the rules which everyone on the network previously agreed to  So it’s really a big responsibility for every user to know and care what all code changes are ---- There’s also a HUGE difference between non technical people discussing technical matters and overall DESIGN matters ---- You won’t see me talking specific code almost ever — it’s not my area of expertise  But overall economics, functionality and design is an area of expertise I have for this coin — Andy one can develop expertise and have opinions on the direction — anyone can choose to listen or not - and run what they want based on a combo of vision and capabilities and functions with the specific code ---- Well this is why consensus is so important Just something to plan for — for the future ----  We can all continually improve the quality of review of code changes Bitcoin Bitcoin system has worked best and that’s what Ravencoin is developed after ---- Bitcoin has made many leaps forward on this - there are lots of contributors and discussions ---- @name — well one thing is that there isn’t and shouldn’t be much of a line between “devs” and “the community” —- devs ARE the community and the community is devs in this project — there is no separate wall  ---- You don’t need to just “speak with a Bitcoin dev” you can BE a Bitcoin dev by simply submitting code Secret sauce of Bitcoin is no leaders No authority Consensus Same with Ravencoin- ---- The system is working well as it is — I don’t see any problems at all — just giving thoughts on best practices and ideas for the future — there are several things we learned from this hard fork which can be improved on next time - mainly around communicating ---- There’s some bad habits from ICOS where people come in to protocol projects looking for leaders or thinking a central authority makes all decisions ----It’s wise to plan for contentious forks ---- It’s wise to plan for contentious forks ---- And have healthy debate over all changes ---- Forks also present a risk — every code change presents a possibility of unforeseen consequences == 14 Aug 2018 - Telegram == Chatturga:The v2.0.3 binaries are available to download on the ravencoin github. Assuming that everything continues to run smoothly, and no significant bugs need to be addressed, this is the version that will activate DGW and BIP9/RIP2 consensus voting for the asset layer. The devs recommend updating to this version soon (before block 338778), with a particular emphasis toward pool owners and exchanges. I'll reach out to those people at the end of the day since the devs want to do a bit more testing. https://github.com/RavenProject/Ravencoin/releases/tag/v2.0.3 == 05 Aug 2018 - Telegram =='' Tron '' Tron:Ravencoin is a protocol platform for assets and will work with anybody's infrastructure. Additional requirements can always be added by exchanges, or issuers, but are not native to the asset protocol. ---- Tron:You’re absolutely right. We are watching the issue closely. To put it in perspective though, our block times have been roughly 1.5x the speed of BTC during the worst of it. We have already switched to DGW on testnet and Ravencoin is slated to move to DGW on mainnet at the end of October. Our primary concern is not the code, that’s already done. Our primary concern is not allowing the chain to split. A chain split would cause far more damage and confusion than 5 minute blocks. The diff swings are a result of chat was skippedbeing profitable, then not, then profitable again, in an undamped oscillation. DGW will fix it, but it requires a hard fork where everyone must upgrade the software. This carries some risk. ---- Tron:x16r is the hashing algorithm, and is different than the difficulty adjustment algorithm. It will still be x16r. The difficulty adjustment tries to make it so it is 1 minute blocks no matter how many cpus/gpus are mining. Currently it adjusts by looking back 2016 blocks and making a percentage adjustment to bring it inline. There is a 4x limit, which we are close to hitting. It isn’t good but it shouldn’t get much worse. ---- Tron:RVN will still be RVN. The problem is that anyone that doesn’t upgrade when the algo switches over, will be on a different chain. Imagine the problems if CryptoBridge doesn’t upgrade, or Cryptopia, etc. and they have a different view. A hard fork is just a software upgrade, but hopefully caught it is really important that certain nodes upgrade. We have a managed upgrade already scheduled for the end of Oct that lets everyone decide on their own whether to upgrade and when enough mining nodes have upgraded, it seamlessly switches over at a set percentage. ---- Tron:No, shorter block times aren’t the problem. Rentable hashpower, and multipools which auto-redirect hashpower to the most profitable coin makes it more difficult to calibrate. That’s what changed. ---- Tron:The longest chain is the winner. We just need to make sure it is crystal clear which one that is. If we have 1/2 mining power on one chain and 1/2 on another, it gets murky. If that ever happens, just don’t transfer RVN during that time and you’ll be fine. And, if you’re mining, make sure you’re on the longest chain. ---- Tron:DGW will go a long way towards that. We actually want increased hashing, we just don’t want it coming and going in multi-day intervals. ---- Tron:I don’t think miners using a pool will need to change anything. Just make sure the pool you’re using has upgraded whenever the software is upgraded. Make sure you’re using the latest version to view/store/transfer your RVN. ---- Tron:My understanding is that there was a Pull Request for RVN on Ledger. I don’t know if/when that will make it into production. ---- Tron:Yes, unix (linux), Mac, and Windows. We need to make sure the client cross-compiles for all of them. ---- Tron:Yeah, there were some awful asset names. I imagine that some of the web explorers and asset marketplaces will want to run names through a filter. ---- Tron:There’s going to be lots of interestingopportunities. I think someone will build a marketplace for asset names. ---- Tron:There’s really only one chain. The problem is that when you change the diff algo, then the version of the software using the old algo sees only old algo blocks as valid, and software using the algo only sees new algo blocks as valid. The “real” one SHOULD be the new algo chain, but there’s no BOSS that says you can’t run older software. So it is really up the users to upgrade and all agree to use the newer software. I can’t compel anyone to upgrade, but it would make economic sense for everyone to use the new software. We can write software that doesn’t change the algorithm until it sees that most miners have upgraded because we can put a version number in the blocks and count the mined blocks. That’s what BIP9 does — Google it if you’re interested in how it works. ---- We’re hiring like crazy. Most of our hires are for tZero, Medici, and Bitsy. If you’re a great developer, you want should apply. Bruce is in NH and he visits Utah and we visit him in NH. ---- Tron:Yes. I don’t know how trademark rules would apply. I fought two trademark battles where I felt I was in the detail go to discord right. I won one, and find folded the chat)other against a giant “perfect” word processing company. ---- Tron:There is support for that. I’m not in favor of that, in general, but it did make sense for our asset hard fork.

Tron:I hope not, because I'd love to take think it would devalue RVN, but it is certainly a sec and address some incorrect info and misconceptions1- possibility. Soros afaik does not own this coin Interestingly enough, anyone who had RVN before that fork would have RVN and isn't involved in any wayRVC, but I doubt he's heard of still think itwould would be a net negative overall.

2- this is not an Overstock corporate project, they are generous in supporting lots of open source projects and allowing employees to work on them on company or personal time - I'm on the board of Medici, this is how Patrick heard of Ravencoin (I told him at dinner in Boston) we are thrilled that they like the project and allow key devs to work on it --

3- this Tron:Sometimes it is not a tZero projectcheaper to mine, and sometimes it is not being built for tZero, cheaper to buy. Right now it's not is cheaper to buy — until the diff adjusts. I wrote a paper on how the backend of tZero, there two are no discussions about this integrating or trading on tZero interlinked. https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/bitcoin-value-and-mining-difficulty ---- Tron:Bruce and as far as I agree that it doesn’t need shilling. Eventually, we’ll need to let more people know it exists and that it is a platform they can build on, but that isn’t even true until the tZero folks are not even aware end of it October when assets activate on mainnet. ----  Tron:If there’s a Raven Classic, it's an entirely separate projectprobably wont have asset support. ---- Tron:Yes, we would like RVN to continue to be viable cash. We hope it gets used for rewards (paying all holders of your token in RVN), and for on-chain atomic swaps (paying for assets with RVN where the trade happens all at once). Now as far as the whole community discord issues: -- -- Tron:I’m not 100% sure. It seems like we’re in a lot bear market — similar to 2014-2015. Some of people are so used it is being sold to scammy centralized buy into RVN, EOS, and ADA, or into ICOs that which are still going strong outside the US. ----Tron:I agree - kinda dumb. It is a completely arbitrary line. Enforce rules against outright fraud, but let everyone invest their money any way they might choose. ---- Tron:I think there will be new sites listing assets for sale. We’ve put “forsale” and “forsale_price” keys in the metadata spec for this reason. Brokers could scan the chain and the meta data to open source and not know how build a website for exchanging asset names. ---- Tron:https://github.com/RavenProject/Ravencoin/blob/master/assets/asset_metadata_spec.md ---- Tron:I will share the scripts to allow anyone to register any names they want. I’m excited to see what gets registered. ----Tron:Sending assets will require a small RVN fee. I’d love to get rid of the fee, but it worksopens up too many attacks that don’t cost anything. In open source ---- Tron:It’s been wonderful chatting with all of you. Thanks for your support of RVN. I’m working on some python scripts that’ll let you create batches of assets (with associated meta data) from a Google spreadsheet or csv. I’ll make them available next week for everyone does what they want to play with. It’ll make it easier for their own interest anyone wanting to register multiple assets.  == 03 Aug 2018 - Telegram == ''Some interesting posts from tron on telegram'' Tron:http://raven-blockchain.info/ext/getmoneysupply is stalled on an old block. Needs to be switched to: https://ravencoin.network/api/supply ----'' referring to testnet launch''Tron:Thanks. We had a few glitches that intellectual curiositywe're fixing, money or whateverbut overall it seems to be performing as expected. There ---- Tron:Brace yourself. The limits of free speech are no rulers or CEOs and no one in the project works for other peoplebeing tested. FREEDOM!!!

So for example, Kai is a community member who made this channel and can do whatever he wants.If he wants to convert it to a channel to discuss the Xmen comics that's his business. Tron:No one has In the right qt, go to tell other people how to run things they create. They are welcome to create their own channel Help->Debug, then the console tab, and do what they want.type listassets 

Yes overstock owns Medici and Tron:I am on the Medici board'd be interested in knowing which ones it doesn't fulfill. They contribute to open source projects It is portable, fungible, divisible, durable, transferable, and generously allow key employees to work on this project and otherslimited. USD is 5 of those 6.

yes roadmap is comingTron:Michael Any wallet, explorer, exhange, etc. can use the .png. It likely will not be built into the reference client because we don't want to be downloading and showing the types of images that could be added. If you've looked at the list of assets created on testnet, you'll understand our concern. 

This is the people's coin. It's more widely and fairly distributed than any project I know of. Thatreferring to facilitating adoption''s hard for people to get used to. Especially when they are accustomed to dealing with ICO marketers who are trying to continually sell a product because they make money from it. All Raven in the market was initially acquired the same wayTron: by fair miningAdoption - ease of use, cross platform (Windows, Mac, Linux, iOs, Android) , and secure. So there isn't some centralized profit center driving artificial promotions.

one of the original ideas I had was to focus on RSK - Tron figured out better ways to accomplish what we needed but RSK remains an awesome project with tons of benefits for Ravencoin-- also it doesn't require core dev work because it can :We hope assets will be built tradable on top of the chain -- so hopefully someone decentralized exchanges. I think this will develop that asap - we happen organically as soon as some real projects are focused on core protocol for nowusing the tokens. 

Would also Tron:Medici has investments in about 14 different companies. I expect some of them will be cool able to see people mess use RVN, but RVN is not being developed in support of any particular project. It has larger ambitions to be a platform for asset issuance with LN on the Ravencoin chainmulti-OS support and much easier to use than ERC20. 

Tron:Verhoven RVN should be a currency. like We want it to have a value because phase 3 will allow paying token holders in RVN. Imagine a project that's profitable where the early supporters are rewarded (with Bitcoin RVN) based on the Github has authorized people : me, Tron, Jesse, Cade can accept pull requestspercentage of tokens they hold.Also like Bitcoin people can make their own implementations OR can do forksAny miner can run what they choose

ThatTron:I's how Bitcoin and all other projects workm not allowed to talk about tZero stuff. I don't know of any other modelFor foss

One Tron:I had experience with Counterparty, Mastercoin, colored coins, and open assets which had similar capabilities on top of the most important overarching themes is that cypherpunks write codeBitcoin. That's it - we aren't marketers or employees of people who speculate. We are making a project that we think will It was secure, but clunky because some bitcoin had to be useful. That's it. No promises it will work. No guarantees of anything. In sent with every asset, and the Cypherpunk world you either write or run the code you like or you don'tfees became prohibitively high last year. It We's ve been able to fix these issues because we can make adjustments that simple. If we as a community together build something awesome then it might have value in the world. We make no scammy ICO style promises about value etc. It's a completely different model from most new projects and takes a lot of understanding to get used to. Even today with core Bitcoin over 9 years old many people dondevelopers can't understand the way development works in open sourcemake.This literally is YOUR project. As Gavin Andresen said about Bitcoin "If you want to build something and are waiting for permission you have it, go build"

I'm not a coder either -- I found a technicalityTron: The ideas behind the Manifesto says you have to write code -- it doesn't say you have to be good at it or even skilled. :)So if you wrote a line of HTML or programmed a Wordpress blog you are indeed a (basic) coder-- so that's easy. He harder part is understanding project and embracing using the blockchain for tokenizing assets came from Bruce Fenton, as well as the Cypherpunk idealsproject name and logo. 

Tron:I'm in talks with the leadership and developers on that project. We 've agreed that Ravencoin is great once they're tokenizing the land. First stages are all coders which means we can all be Cypherpunksabout recording ownership and Ravencoin doesn't fit that use case as well. 

We cool now?Tron:I've talked to lots of companies about their projects on RVN. Two game companies, one tokenized real-estate company, and a VC company that wants to do tokenized Reg A+ offerings. 

We plan annual meeting in OctoberTron:I created a crypto accounting system called CoinCPA -/ meetups before then - there might be look for the podcasts from 2014. I was an early employee of Tzero. I'm a cool farm we can use Tzero advisor. I worked for a summer meetup in NHcrypto company out of Hong Kong. I've helped Spera, and Bitsy which are portfolio companies of Medici Ventures.Definitely will be NH

We Tron:I do have some coins. If anything bad happens to the Ravencoin chain, it will also do meetups in Utahaffect me personally. 

We plan to have Tron:It's exciting. I'm a huge fan of everything that's happening in the crypto space. I think the Ravencoin community is the ability best! I feel honored and blessed to issue tokens be native a part of the project. I really want it to the protocolsucceed. Not a smart contract 

Bitcoin has the ability '' in reference to let users issue tokens by some significant purchases seen recently on cb ''Tron:I can say for certain it isn't me. It really don't think it's Patrick. I don't think it's Bruce, but I don't know that. ==31 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Reminder: careful using Omnilayer or Counterpartytestnet and wallets etc - Ravencoin is building on this model and will have similar as well as more advanced features built in someone WILL lose money because they get confused, send real coins to the base codewrong place only use if you know what you are doing :smiley: 

It's I propose that we as a different way community voluntarily white hat any major names like Google -/ hopefully if the real Google wants to approach use it the same problemcommunity member will give it to them at cost — but that’s optional of course

Ethereum ERC20 has been amazing There isn’t any way to pre- but this is a different type of model based on a different type of chain.reserve or verify names

I'm very Testnet will give people a chance to see what has been built and will also allow more contributors to easily contribute and do security testing because the code is published and everyone can be on the same page  Testnet also allows 2nd and third layer developers to see how the protocol works and build and test apps  Since the network was built first with ravencoin we already have a massive head start when mainnet is launched (versus if the network genesis and the asset layer were launched together) This means that since racencoin already has tons of users, community members and interested parties the usability of the asset layer capabilities increases  There are a lot of us in seeing if tokens the community who can test and build on this protocol  So - when mainnet launches :rocket: there will be put into their own LN channels - we think a lot of people ready to jumpstart that network and build on it  I predict a lot of asset names reserved right away (it will be possiblelike domain registration races / land grab) When mainnet is launched people will be able to immediately create real assets which will be verified by the ravencoin blockchain  == 29 July 2018 - Discord 2 == We had mini raven sculptures hidden all around the Satoshi Roundtable == 14 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Ravencoin as a real open source & fair launched project will never have the captive marketing budget of an ICO — but those projects will never have the tech depth or scalability that the Ravencoin protocol has. 

Icos as we had an in person meeting know them will not be as big as securities tokens == 12 July 2018 - Discord 2 == The dlr is a different thing - it’s a few weeks ago. As roadmap specific tool to help crypto interface with existing wall st touting systems  Aside from this Tzero is rolled out we also an exchange which will have more dev focused channelstrade security tokens ==11 July 2018 - Discord 2 == Just one solid exchange would be very relevant 

Changing the way value is represented in the world is Rvn took a worthy goalpath more like BTC or ltc 

It's got nostalgia -- that wasn't done for fun (though it is!) but because it worked for Bitcoin. Too many projects get away from this. EVERYONE knows that founders shares and foundation tokens and premines and "friends and family" rounds are crap. No one denies that true fair, free and open source projects are better... yet we see 1500 ICOs because people are greedy or lazy. This model is a good one that increases chances of success. If this had been done as I think an ICO we'd all have tens or hundreds of millions on paper - but nothing close to this community and dev can be bought.exchange will happen 

for legal items this There actually is just open source code. Tons a lot of encryption messaging systems are open source -raven marketing -it’s all pretty much done by volunteer community members bits be trippin etcAnd a hash is different

I think the surprising aspect was how fast interest gained == 11 July 2018 -- but one shouldn't mistake this as not having a plan or roadmap. This has been planned and thought about for years. Some of the key ways this is showing already are reflected in the strength of the network and number of nodes, users, community. As for funding, development is well funded, many people and companies have invested significantly into dev. The community has funded many significant parts of dev and is growing and stronger every day. The coin is less than 60 days old. The attention to this coin brings lots of good community strength and new devs, volunteers etc. one drawback is that publicity also brings people who don't care about the tech or want some sort of fast results or something. Development will take timeDiscord 2 ==

== 28 Feb 3 July 2018 - Telegram Discord 2 ==

This space is very treacherous and risky - by running the Raven-atthere is a ton of uncertainty.exe wallet on every PC you own you automatically help strengthen the network

- join A coin claiming they will “beat Bitcoin” is not credible — neither is it credible to say Bitcoin has a pool 100% chance of being both global money and actively mine - this is especially effective if you have a powerful system the rails for all tokens with a gpu (so far Nvida)zero exceptions.

- if you know There are a developer ask them to consider contributing to GitHub httpsfew possible outcomes://github.com/RavenProject/Ravencoin there will be more and more need for dev help as we go

1) Bitcoin becomes the only chain, all projects become sidechains on Bitcoin - talk about code, utility, building stuff RVN and plans more than ALL other external factorscoins/ projects die completely (possible but unlikely / not certain enough to bet on 100%)

- if you know others interested in open source projects2) Bitcoin dies, maybe they will download the wallet, mine other coin or contributecoins / projects serve that need (unlikely)

- share 3) Bitcoin becomes important money and important chain for tokens but other projects survive and serve large or post links niche markets 3a Raven is one of these survivors 3b it isn’t (This is the most likely scenario imho of the 3 — even if I felt an 80% chance of option 1 then it would still be prudent to ravencoin.org and the twitter ravencoinsupport other coins in case BTC fails or in case any can develop a niche which serves one area better than BTC)

- review bounties and work to complete some----

- support So if option 3 occurred and raven survived then it could be used in even a “small” niche of the community bountiespossibly deca trillion dollar token market and end up being very important.

Cross chain atomic swaps and lots of other things will make cooperation between projects make sense — LTC is a good example - build independent apps on top of this chain (nearly everything that can or the project has been developed for Bitcoin from wallets to second layer projects never tried to paper wallet generators can be implemented on the Ravencoin chain relatively easily) immediate advantages of this chain: low cost, fast 1 minute blocks, asic resistant, widely distributedat odds with Bitcoin.

- keep active Bitcoin was always going to do tokens — that a HQ co like Blockstream is working on this is exciting and validated the entire idea.Just a month ago all the best “experts” were saying that tokens couldn’t be put on Bitcoin or a fork of Bitcoin — this is specifically why I always used Bitcoin not raven in the community, share ideas, communicate and follow the project's evolutionperiscope video examples on security tokens.

When we did these demos everyone laughed — well now the smartest devs in the space are doing what we’ve been working on for a while as well (Blockstream has worked on this a long time too) It will be great if both Bitcoin and Raven serve markets in tokens successfully - there are certainly plenty of ways that can work — I also think other projects like ada and eos will have a good chance of surviving and several platforms will thrive for different reasons. Anyway — being that this is Game of Thrones and in the grand timeline of global money and blockchains - we are early in season 1 ... it’s a good time to be supportive of all projects and focus on building great tech rather than “beating” someone.Also — most importantly — Blockstream is NOT a competitor of Raven - Blockstream is a company with investors and some top devs and products etc. - Ravencoin is an idea and some code / software which generates a scare digital asset. So back to the Blockstream announcement  ...If this is Game of Thrones here we are over at Raven Tower okay — and Adam Back is like the Maester from Fort Block — he just moved in and says he wants to fight white walkers with the weapon he’s been working on — Okay I could go on :joy:... But seriously, Blockstream is not an enemy to this project - that’s absurd - they are awesome people and high quality cypherpunks and some of the smartest people in the industry.  The “competitor” isn’t Blockstream it’s Bitcoin (for tokens!) — obviously Bitcoin is the strongest chain and it’s very unlikely raven would replace it — that was never the goal, point or idea (at least from my personal POV or imho)- the better competitor is ETH who actually has serious weaknesses.  Goal as I’ve always personally seen it is to work on this specific use case on a PROTOCOL level to see if it develops advantages overall — it has had some since day one —  Just build good stuff and keep focusing  If you want to attack someone ETH is a better target but even those folks are pretty cool — better to hope the rising tide lifts all boats!! ----- Yeah no one should care so much what I say — centralized authorities are bad  I love this coin and project and community — this is why I’ve given what I think is a fair share of free work to the project — but my activity shouldn’t be so relevant (and neither should anyone else’s) ----- I don’t see it as competition and even if so it would be silly to claim this chain is stronger than Bitcoin - imho far smarter way to look at things is the way LTC and to a lesser extent cardano does: we are all in the same ecosystem ----- I’ve supported raven as best I can and will continue to — I’ve done about 15 speeches and a hundred tweets and 12 interviews and I’ve received death threats and nearly daily criticisms and accusations of being a scammer / pumper because of being such a vocal supporter — I’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of my own money on support of raven — I’ve taken time from my family to fly to meet devs and I’ve spent hundreds of hours on everything from writing and research to design to chatting in forums or answering questions. I receive zero pay and zero special coins or bonus for any work or commentary I do on Raven —Every hour I spend on Raven is uncompensated and I have to skip other paying work to do -  If people think it’s not enough or can do better then by all means hopefully they can step up and be spokespeople also — I offered to help others do so a while ago & will make more ppt etc when I can ----- Asset layer test net should be out in July ----- Blockstream moving into this is great news for the overall ecosystem ----- It’s a $40 trillion market ---- read - Personally I see it as very different ----- Raven is open sourceIf you want to compete with a company you canOr use the Cypherpunk Manifestocode and software how you choose == 2nd July 2018 - Discord 2 == I have over 150,000 social media followers and announced Raven to over 2000 conference attendees at crypto conferences including Miami BTC and Texas Bitcoin Conference It was posted by many others aside from me and retweeted and reposted by many others  We had 4500 miners within a week and the network grew so fast that solo mining and cpu rigs were obsolete within two weeks To claim that no one was on the network and that some secret miner dominated the mining is preposterous and easily provably false  In the very earliest days the network was widely distributed — the three largest miners (Overstock / Medici and three parties I don’t know who they are) each never reached more than 10-15% of hash power —- and that was only for a short few weeks or so in the earlier days  Since then the math can easily show that for anyone to have significant network power they would have to spend a significant amount on GPU rigs — the math & metrics behind this are trivial for anyone with a basic understanding of mining and crypto  It is simply impossible to have had a special advantage on the launch - all anyone could have possibly done is what early miners did:: take a big risk on early equipment-/  No one had any advantage whatsoever and there was absolutely no premine or set aside or insta mine at all  This is what is great about this tech - a blockchain is provableI guess at the ravencoin annual meeting we can ask early miners to raise hands -----

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The Inuit, Tlinglit, Tahitian, Chukchi, Sioux and the Haida among others call Raven the magical keeper of secrets, the trickster, friend of the First Men and Creator of the World. An idea or force able to shift, change and create something from nothing. In open source the power of the crowd can do amazing things. Look at what we have accomplished in less than 60 short days[[Fenton Files: a fairly issued, widely distributed coin with a very solid network and code bass.April 2018 - June 2018]]